Always run down with MGUS

Posted by dazlin @dazlin, Feb 13, 2020

Not really sure if its related, but I get super wiped out after a couple hours of chores, or just shopping, my entire body aches badly. I have so much drive, and love getting everything done, love cleaning, cooking, gardening, and simply enjoying everything in order and organized. Seems lately, more so than the last 2 years since I was diagnosed with MGUS, once I get tired doing whatever, I'll come down with cold sores by next day, usually in my nose, sometimes on my lips. I now have meds for it. Then I'm wiped out for a few days. I dont let it stop me, but I'll admit I'm uncomfortable doing my usual. Drs continue to monitor my labs, and nothing really has progressed. I'm not anemic, and most bloodwork is within normal range. My IGM'S are very low, said to be crowded out by the abnormal cells. The IGM'S are the main white blood cells to fight infection, so I'm at risk, but I never get sick, or run fever, thank God. Just ALWAYS run down. I'm disappointed, and I always feel like even a trip to see my new baby grandson about an hour and 20 minutes drive, will leave me very tired, and run down next day. I actually plan to keep my outings short. I had a bone marrow biopsy done last june...cells are 4% IGG KAPPA...no treatment at this level. Does anyone here experience anything similar to me, with MGUS, and if so, does anything help? I think I'm starting to feel bit disheartened because I'm so active and enjoy doing alot, but my body quits, how sad.

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@mitten

Thank you- much appreciated. I have some bone pain, but nothing to scream about. Multiple myeloma runs on my father's side. Diagnosed with MGUS/ Lambda subtype since 5/2020, both oncologists want to see me every 3 months since 2020. Things are slowly progressing as they say and is approaching the 10% mark evidenced from BM biopsy. Hopefully someone can give me feedback as to what I can do or questions to ask my oncologists. Thank you again.

Mitten

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@mitten People can go for many years with MGUS. While the monitoring can be a chore, it is important to do it at the intervals recommended by your medical team. They will be watching closely, seeing that multiple myeloma runs on your father's side, and kudos to you for having that information to give them!

As my oncologist had told me at the beginning, he wanted to wait as long as possible before starting me on treatment, since "once you start, that will be it". I have co-morbidities and he didn't want me to be overloaded.
Ginger

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Hi @dazlin, you wrote elsewhere:
"I have a low Mgus…yet my drs reports say, abdominal IGG kappa. I haven't been able to research anything related to abdominal mgus. Could this be a typographical error?? It has been stated in the past 3 reports. Im wondering if it's an a typographical error. How could they determine its abdominal??
If anyone has heard of this, I'd love an explanation. Just to let you all know, YES, I will ask and discuss on my visit in February. Just wondering."

Might the typo have been "immunoglobulin"? Was the result from an abdominal CT scan or abdominal biopsy?

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@colleenyoung

Hi @dazlin, you wrote elsewhere:
"I have a low Mgus…yet my drs reports say, abdominal IGG kappa. I haven't been able to research anything related to abdominal mgus. Could this be a typographical error?? It has been stated in the past 3 reports. Im wondering if it's an a typographical error. How could they determine its abdominal??
If anyone has heard of this, I'd love an explanation. Just to let you all know, YES, I will ask and discuss on my visit in February. Just wondering."

Might the typo have been "immunoglobulin"? Was the result from an abdominal CT scan or abdominal biopsy?

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Could be an error...I never had a biopsy...I did have pet scans and CT scans of my lungs.
Nothing was ever said about anything abdominal. Ill be sure to ask in February. Thank you!

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You sound like me. I am newly diagnosed and have noticed a steady decline in my energy level. I won’t go into detail here because I am not that fluent in all the names of things yet. But In addition to MGUS I also got a diagnosis of leukopenia for which my Hematologist/oncologist is treating me with B12 for now and doing watchful waiting. I broke out with a cold sore on my lip yesterday and was feeling quite ill last night, extremely tired and chills, but no fever. I haven’t had a breakout cold sore for a long, long time. But I went through a lot of physical stress last week, sprained my ankle, inflammation of my spine due to my spondylolisthesis . So I chalked the breakout up to the physical stress. I admit in the back of my mind I wondered if MGUS had anything to do with it. I just don’t recover from day to day lime I used to.

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@colleenyoung

Hi @dazlin, you wrote elsewhere:
"I have a low Mgus…yet my drs reports say, abdominal IGG kappa. I haven't been able to research anything related to abdominal mgus. Could this be a typographical error?? It has been stated in the past 3 reports. Im wondering if it's an a typographical error. How could they determine its abdominal??
If anyone has heard of this, I'd love an explanation. Just to let you all know, YES, I will ask and discuss on my visit in February. Just wondering."

Might the typo have been "immunoglobulin"? Was the result from an abdominal CT scan or abdominal biopsy?

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Maybe “abnormal” ? Did you ask the doctor?

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@nancy1900

You sound like me. I am newly diagnosed and have noticed a steady decline in my energy level. I won’t go into detail here because I am not that fluent in all the names of things yet. But In addition to MGUS I also got a diagnosis of leukopenia for which my Hematologist/oncologist is treating me with B12 for now and doing watchful waiting. I broke out with a cold sore on my lip yesterday and was feeling quite ill last night, extremely tired and chills, but no fever. I haven’t had a breakout cold sore for a long, long time. But I went through a lot of physical stress last week, sprained my ankle, inflammation of my spine due to my spondylolisthesis . So I chalked the breakout up to the physical stress. I admit in the back of my mind I wondered if MGUS had anything to do with it. I just don’t recover from day to day lime I used to.

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@nancy1900 Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. It sounds like you have many things going on, and certainly a cold sore can be a symptom of all the stress you are under, as you deal with different conditions! What did you do for that cold sore, may I ask?

As you start your journey with MGUS, you'll read about the shared experiences here from members who are also going through this. The most of us do the watch-and-wait thing, getting bloodwork every three or six months, tracking our situation. That said, it seems like the majority of people go for years without any progression of the disease. My simple advice is to not focus on it, wondering if/when there will be problems. Live your life, eat a healthy diet, get moderate exercise, reduce your stress as best you can.

What questions do you have for me?
Here is what Mayo Clinic has to say about low white blood cell counts:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/low-white-blood-cell-count/basics/definition/sym-20050615
Ginger

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I treated the cold sore with Morgan’s lip balm and Tanac for pain plus ES Tylenol for facial nerve pain and other bodily discomfort associated with this virus.

My doctor will start me on B12 shots in three months if the oral B12 is ineffective. He will also check my leukopenia at that time. I have had a flow cytometry done. He has been right on this from the beginning. So far I really trust his judgement. I was diagnosed in October.

Have a wonderful holiday.

Sincerely,

Nancy Benson

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Hi again Ginger.

I just read the article on low WBC that you sent me. What I find interesting is that the article said that in black people they said that their WBC tends to run lower. And from what I have read MGUS and MM are more common in black men. I think it is also interesting that in chronic kidney disease there was a different GFR ratio for black people than caucasian. This resulted in poorly diagnosed CKD in black people. I think Scientists are rethinking how they interpret different tests and hope they perhaps rethink the, “WBC tend to be lower naturally in Black people.” statement. Maybe black people are also slowly diagnosed for this disease as they were for chronic kidney disease.

This is just a thought from someone who also has CKD, acquired due to a tennis ball sized cyst which blocked my kidney, and destroyed 2/3 of my left kidney function prior to surgical removal. Diagnosis eluded them as it was a thing that was more common in men then women, and my case was a rarity. It always worries me now when I see things like the aforementioned statement about black people. And I am caucasian. I hope they rethink their assessment that black people naturally have lower WBCs.

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@nancy1900

Hi again Ginger.

I just read the article on low WBC that you sent me. What I find interesting is that the article said that in black people they said that their WBC tends to run lower. And from what I have read MGUS and MM are more common in black men. I think it is also interesting that in chronic kidney disease there was a different GFR ratio for black people than caucasian. This resulted in poorly diagnosed CKD in black people. I think Scientists are rethinking how they interpret different tests and hope they perhaps rethink the, “WBC tend to be lower naturally in Black people.” statement. Maybe black people are also slowly diagnosed for this disease as they were for chronic kidney disease.

This is just a thought from someone who also has CKD, acquired due to a tennis ball sized cyst which blocked my kidney, and destroyed 2/3 of my left kidney function prior to surgical removal. Diagnosis eluded them as it was a thing that was more common in men then women, and my case was a rarity. It always worries me now when I see things like the aforementioned statement about black people. And I am caucasian. I hope they rethink their assessment that black people naturally have lower WBCs.

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@nancy1900 Nancy, like you, I am a caucasian female, and have long been puzzled by different value ranges I see based on racial identity. Here is an article from the American Kidney Foundation about the differing ranges of eGFR, and I daresay it can be used as an explanation for other values.

Ah, so you are a zebra, also, having conditions that normally do not appear in women! I am also a CKD patient, now Stage 5 and on dialysis. It seems I have always flaunted the "norms", too! My MM is the mre rare type, the cause of my CKD is an ultra-rare autoimmune condition diagnosed less than 50 times worldwide, you get the picture.

Here's to a sunny [if nothing else, in your heart] holiday season to you. i look forward to interacting with you more.
https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/race-and-egfr-what-controversy
Ginger

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@gingerw

@nancy1900 Nancy, like you, I am a caucasian female, and have long been puzzled by different value ranges I see based on racial identity. Here is an article from the American Kidney Foundation about the differing ranges of eGFR, and I daresay it can be used as an explanation for other values.

Ah, so you are a zebra, also, having conditions that normally do not appear in women! I am also a CKD patient, now Stage 5 and on dialysis. It seems I have always flaunted the "norms", too! My MM is the mre rare type, the cause of my CKD is an ultra-rare autoimmune condition diagnosed less than 50 times worldwide, you get the picture.

Here's to a sunny [if nothing else, in your heart] holiday season to you. i look forward to interacting with you more.
https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/race-and-egfr-what-controversy
Ginger

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Yes, I will look up your MRE type this evening. And look at the Kidney article you referred to. How very special to meet you! I hope you are enjoying your holiday too. We just finished Christmas Eve dinner, prime rib. Yummy.

I will further research your condition. Autoimmune runs in my family too. When I told one of the Urgent Care doctors that I felt like after I turned seventy that I was falling apart, he said, “Your warranty is up.” I laughed and asked him I could get an extended warranty. We both had a chuckle.

I love to laugh and feel the joy of life. It hasn’t always been that way. After the kidney failure, which I recovered from, albeit a little damaged—my last GFR was much better. I now have about 29% function in that left kidney, and my right kidney does most of the work. But my life has taken on new meaning since that and I have seen everything in a better light. Now a new challenge, but I am happier than I have ever was when my body seemed OK.

Blessings to you. You are a trooper. And the weather here outside is wet and cold but as you say, “Sunny in my heart,” and in your heart as well, I expect.

Sincerely,

Nancy Benson

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