Any tips for bowel after effects of proton therapy and ADT?

Posted by ou14mejc @ou14mejc, Aug 17 8:58pm

Husband is finishing his 8 week treatment of proton therapy and is on the ADT....stage IV, (8 Gleason score and maybe a 9)metastasized to pelvic bone and a lymph gland. Question: He is having considerable issues with excessive fatigue, bladder and bowel issues. What is the best way to manage the after effects of treatment, with urinary urgency, loose stools, etc. and how long will this last? We have a vacation planned in a couple of weeks after his last proton therapy and I'm wondering if that is a good idea. Managing these symptoms on an airplane might be tough. Thoughts?

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Talk to your urologist and try to get a prescription for one of the drugs. I tried 1 25mg Myrbetriq And it wasn’t sufficient but taking one in the morning and one of the evening works great. It usually takes a couple of weeks before it really works the best.

@northoftheborder had the same experience with the same drug.

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@jeffmarc thank you, Jeff....appreciate your help!

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Hi,
Hopefully your husband’s condition will improve in the next couple of weeks for your vacation plans. You’re just gonna have to play it day by day until you reach the cut-off date of go or stay home. Each person is different as to side effects and recovery rates. Might want to talk to his doctor about a medication for his bowel issues soon.
Dave 3+4

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Thank you, Dave.

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How many radiation sessions has he had so far? How much total proton radiation will he get? (During April-May 2021, I had 28 sessions of proton radiation @ 2.5 grays of radiation per session = 70 grays of radiation total. I had no fatigue, bladder or bowel after-effects.)

To answer your question —> it sounds like they’re overshooting his prostate and hitting his bladder & intestines/rectum with radiation. That’s not good.
> is he using a rectal spacer?
> is he practicing consistent full bladder/empty bowel protocol?
> is he remaining absolutely still on the treatment table?
> is he avoiding gassy foods?

As for concerns about a vacation planned after his last proton therapy, if he’s still experiencing those symptoms the first thing to do is for them to scope both his bladder/urethra (cystoscopy) and his intestines/rectum (colonoscopy) to see how much damage has been done.

The best way to manage these after-effects and how long they will last depends on the results of those scopes. If only a little damage there are OTC solutions that may work; if a lot of damage there are other therapies.

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@brianjarvis He is nearing the end of the 8 week treatment. He has five more sessions to go. Yes, they put in a spacer before his treatments started. I believe the fatigue is coming from the ADT, but could be a combination. Thank you for the response.

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FOR MY situation, the urgency to pee, was somewhat manageable by,
Doing "check pees"
( astronauts get notified when to go as gravity has a play in that feeling)
So if the feeling was there before standing up, urgency was also!
I would go before I felt I needed, as approaching the stool, it would hit, at least somewhat manageable! Good luck on your trip!

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@brianjarvis He is nearing the end of the 8 week treatment. He has five more sessions to go. Yes, they put in a spacer before his treatments started. I believe the fatigue is coming from the ADT, but could be a combination. Thank you for the response.

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@ou14mejc Though it sounds counterintuitive, (load-bearing) exercise is the key to avoiding fatigue and most other side-effects of ADT.

Most side-effects of ADT are easily minimized/avoided with resistance-training exercise. Here are just a few sites that I’ve bookmarked:

> Drs. Scholz and Moyad talking about exercise and hormone therapy (at a virtual PCRI conference): https://m.youtube.com/watch

> A paper on The Benefits of Exercise During Hormone Therapy: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54c68ac6e4b06d2e36a4b8c9/t/55cb7275e4b0d97ae7ff60af/1439396469154/The+Benefits+of+Exercise+During+Hormone+Therapy_Insights+August+2015_PCRI.pdf

> A study about the benefits of exercise to counteract the adverse effects of ADT: (They describe a good resistance-training program): https://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/fulltext/2023/04000/resistance_exercise_training_increases_muscle_mass.2.aspx

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@mjp0512 Thank you….i have absolutely told him this vacation wasn’t necessary and can wait. He is determined, but he knows I’m not really crazy about being across the country up until surgery time. I think he needs the vacation for himself, so it’s his call. I just nursed him through a knee replacement a few months ago. I’m here for him whatever comes our way. Prayers for all you men dealing with this. It is life-changing.

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@ou14mejc Obviously I do not know your husband but I am going through this alone as a widower. Many days I have to fight the 'why bother' question. He is lucky to have such a caring wife.

I'm about to start treatment and thinking about a vacation as soon as possible after it ends. It gives you the hope that your life can somehow be normal again and provides motivation. Your husband will know whether he can actually take the trip when the time comes.

I took 3 trips in 3 months - before my MRI, before my biopsy and before I met with the radiation oncologist just to keep my marbles even though I travel alone.

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Sorry you are having to go through this alone. Life is always better when you share it with someone. I would encourage you to start your treatment, even though you wonder if you should bother. You are worth it and I think you will be relieved when it's over. Then, you can reward yourself with a vacation!

I try to be as supportive as I can. We are in our early 70's, both trying to manage medical issues and take care of each other. He needs this vacation for his mental health, but it probably would be easier if he had a bit of recovery time. I am scheduled for back surgery in 4 weeks, so this will be the only time a trip can happen.

This seems like a good place to come for support and encouragement. A good friend or relative to confide in might help you get through this so you don't feel alone. Sorry for the loss of your wife and I wish you the best through treatment and recovery.

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Sorry you are having to go through this alone. Life is always better when you share it with someone. I would encourage you to start your treatment, even though you wonder if you should bother. You are worth it and I think you will be relieved when it's over. Then, you can reward yourself with a vacation!

I try to be as supportive as I can. We are in our early 70's, both trying to manage medical issues and take care of each other. He needs this vacation for his mental health, but it probably would be easier if he had a bit of recovery time. I am scheduled for back surgery in 4 weeks, so this will be the only time a trip can happen.

This seems like a good place to come for support and encouragement. A good friend or relative to confide in might help you get through this so you don't feel alone. Sorry for the loss of your wife and I wish you the best through treatment and recovery.

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@ou14mejc, while @hadleym asked a similar question for a different type of radiation, you might find the tips in this related discussion helpful:

- Side effects of brachytherapy: Anyone have urinary and bowel issues?https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/side-effects-of-brachy-therapy/

Were you able to take your trip as planned?

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@ou14mejc, while @hadleym asked a similar question for a different type of radiation, you might find the tips in this related discussion helpful:

- Side effects of brachytherapy: Anyone have urinary and bowel issues?https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/side-effects-of-brachy-therapy/

Were you able to take your trip as planned?

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@colleenyoung Thanks for the article...informative. His last proton therapy treatment was last week....yay! Hopefully, the side effects will start to diminish. As far as the trip, we had a bit of a "glitch." I am scheduled for spine surgery September 22nd and the trip was to take place before the surgery. I did not pass my heart clearance....Surprise! I had no idea I had heart issues. After a series of tests last week, I will be having a cardiac cath this Wednesday and a possible stent. I guess it's a good thing I had to get cleared or I would have never known. The question is my main left artery! Thanks for asking.

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I used Oxybutynin for bladder urgency and it worked well. Bowel gas, urgency and loose stools can take some time. One of those, everyone is different kind of things. I used Imodium when I absolutely needed to shut it down. Perhpas try it prior to your trip. Started with a half. Doc stated it would work until it didn't. Prescribed 90 days Mesalamine enemas for colon lining irritation which worked well. Not a quick fix but set me up to heal. Sigmoidoscopy with cauterization for rectal bleeding from radiation proctitis which worked well. Lots of guys talk about exercise to help with ADT side effects and it worked for me. Always felt better after getting my heart up on my mountain bike. I no longer lift. After 16 months post treatment I am almost back normal.

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