I have suddenly bone on bone in both knees

Posted by marilyncarkner @marilyncarkner, Nov 5, 2023

I may have synvisc done or stem cell … trying to figure which one will last longer til I eventually need new knees…any thoughts?

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Thanks so much for the great information ..sorry you have had your up s and downs .Feel discouraged about synvisc ..and I am wondering about stem cell I think it is not covered in Ontario but cannot find actual information on that…wondering about private insurance
Thanks again

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Just found out not covered by OHIP or private insurance …it’s 5000.00 per injection😫

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I have a questions....arthritis was what did my knees in as well and there wasn't much space left between the bones. For about a month I did the exercises given and I was very active doing aquafit 2-3 times a week. I did not have the robotic but had a really good surgeon. Although I'm doing most everything I did prior (except aqua) I still have lots of pain and stiffness later in the evening. I feel best wearing jeans because of the compression from them. I do stretching, riding my bike, lots of walking yet still have stiffness and soreness. Dr. says everything is good. I'm a 62 year old female and so want this soreness to be gone and I"m over a year out. PT has said I need to learn to pace myself and I may always have this soreness. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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I had surgery for a ulnar nerve compression in my elbow years ago.
The surgery relieved my nerve issues however I experienced pain in the elbow that got worse as time went by. (10+ years) I was getting atrophy and losing strength from the inability to use my arm.
I learned of an injection called Ozone therapy and after a long period of consideration and research decided to give it a try. The result was nothing short of miraculous. If I were in your situation I would not hesitate to give it a try on my knee.

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Hi Marilyn @marilyncarkner, Both of my knees were bone on bone from degenerative arthritis but the pain was severe in my right knee so I ended up having a knee replacement at Rochester Mayo. Prior to the knee replacement I discussed both synvisc and possible stem cell treatment with the surgeon and was told that when the joint is bone on bone the treatments aren't recommended. Here's more info:

Synvisc effective when patient has bone on bone in the joint?
https://www.hopkinsarthritis.org/ask-the-expert/synvisc-effective-when-patient-has-bone-on-bone-in-the-joint/
Having my right knee replaced has been one of the best decisions I've made. So far my left knee is without pain so I just try to keep the leg strong with daily exercise. Hope this helps.

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@johnbishop We are twins. I was bone on bone on my right knee (and was severely misaligned) but my left knee was okay. My surgeon, who had replaced my left hip four years ago, did the replacement for my right knee and gave me a bicruciate retaining implant so I still have all my natural ligaments.

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@johnbishop We are twins. I was bone on bone on my right knee (and was severely misaligned) but my left knee was okay. My surgeon, who had replaced my left hip four years ago, did the replacement for my right knee and gave me a bicruciate retaining implant so I still have all my natural ligaments.

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@steveinarizona Glad to hear it went well with you too! Now if I could just fix my stupid neck so I don't walk leaning forward 🙃

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@steveinarizona Glad to hear it went well with you too! Now if I could just fix my stupid neck so I don't walk leaning forward 🙃

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@johnbishop
Is it your neck or your back? When you shop for groceries, do you lean forward on the shopping cart as you walk around the store? They call that shopping cart sign and is usually caused by stenosis in the back.

Sign of getting really old. I also have severe hand cramping. I went to a hand surgeon I had used before for my son and who does a lot of professional athletes and he took one look at the nerve conduction study and x-rays and declared that I needed surgery in both arms on both the upper and lower parts and would need to have general anesthesia for it. I am terrified of general anesthesia.

I went to my Neurologist and he studied the nerve conduction test results and he thinks that I can skip the Ulnar nerve. But he thinks the world of a surgeon at Mayo -- Shelley Noland. So I have an appointment with her in a month. Fingers crossed (pun intended).

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@johnbishop
Is it your neck or your back? When you shop for groceries, do you lean forward on the shopping cart as you walk around the store? They call that shopping cart sign and is usually caused by stenosis in the back.

Sign of getting really old. I also have severe hand cramping. I went to a hand surgeon I had used before for my son and who does a lot of professional athletes and he took one look at the nerve conduction study and x-rays and declared that I needed surgery in both arms on both the upper and lower parts and would need to have general anesthesia for it. I am terrified of general anesthesia.

I went to my Neurologist and he studied the nerve conduction test results and he thinks that I can skip the Ulnar nerve. But he thinks the world of a surgeon at Mayo -- Shelley Noland. So I have an appointment with her in a month. Fingers crossed (pun intended).

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@steveinarizona, I don't really lean on the shopping cart but do have my hands resting on it so I can stand up a little straighter as I walk. I have nerd neck from all my years working at a desk but I think I also may have something similar to bent spine syndrome or kyphosis but I've never seen a doctor about it. When I was in my 50s my wife used to tell me I walked like an old man and now I am that old man 🙃

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I am 76 female, have some arthritis pain in one knee. Being one to avoid meds as much as possible, I have been successful in taking 70mg softgels of Hyaluronic acid (Injuv) about twice/week. I also avoid veg.oils and take long brisk walks a few times/week. Sitting is deadly; I've learned that for sure. The H.A. is also beneficial for eyes. (That synovial fluid in our knees, other joints and vitreous humor of the eye . . . that IS hyaluronic acid and it depletes with age.)

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I have a questions....arthritis was what did my knees in as well and there wasn't much space left between the bones. For about a month I did the exercises given and I was very active doing aquafit 2-3 times a week. I did not have the robotic but had a really good surgeon. Although I'm doing most everything I did prior (except aqua) I still have lots of pain and stiffness later in the evening. I feel best wearing jeans because of the compression from them. I do stretching, riding my bike, lots of walking yet still have stiffness and soreness. Dr. says everything is good. I'm a 62 year old female and so want this soreness to be gone and I"m over a year out. PT has said I need to learn to pace myself and I may always have this soreness. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi Cindy and my apologies for such a late reply. I take it you had one or both knees replaced.

I think aqua workouts, like aqua aerobics classes, would be helpful and not cause pain. I spin 5x/week and haven't had any problems.

I'd also get a second opinion from another knee surgeon. There has to be a reason for the pain.

Finally, I suggest always using ice on the knee and never heat. Ice reduces inflammation and pain. Heat feels good but brings a rush of blood and inflammation into the joint.

I hope things are better.

Joe

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