Pain And Changes In Weather...Am I Alone????

Posted by cahnny @cahnny, Sep 10, 2016

I've read articles saying that changes in weather can effect severity of pain and, of course, there's the old timers who swear the old bones ache when it's gonna rain. Well I guess, at 70 years old, I'm now an old timer and, let me tell you...my old bones and muscles, and skin, and hair HURT. There are days I hurt from neuropathy and Morton's Neuroma in my feet and legs, to profound itching along my degenerating spine (I think due to pinches nerves), to aching joints, swollen cysts behind my arthritic knees, gut discomfort from IBS, pinched nerves EVERYWHERE to neck pain that goes down my arms, to skin that just feels sore and tingly. I'm talking all these things all at the same time. It's like someone flipped a switch and lit me up like a roman candle. One doctor will say...that could very well be. Another doctor will say poppy cock. Well poppy cock this...I know my body and I know how it feels and I know it's not in my head. Now it might be coming FROM my head...as in mixed up signals from the brain saying YOU'RE IN PAIN but the pain and sensations are real.

I needed a new bedside alarm clock so purchased a clock that also provides barometric pressure, temperature, and humidity readings. It seems, without fail, on days when there is a dramatic swing in barometric pressure my body goes into all over intense pain mode. Do any of you have the same experiences??? I'm not talking just a little aching. I'm talking REAL discomfort.

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@rwinney

Welcome to Connect @csearch. Just wanted to say hello! I see you've found that you are not alone in your "talents". Cute way to put it. It does stink for sure! I've found out that because of a process called central sensitization the body feels more, kind of like a loud speaker. Here's more about central sensitization from an in depth scientific perspective - in case you are interested...

Pub Med Central - Central Sensitization: A Generator of Pain Hypersensitivity by Central Neural Plasticity:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2750819/#:~:text=Central%20sensitization%20corresponds%20to%20an,efficacy%2C%20or%20a%20reduced%20inhibition

And a more simplified video version from Dr. Sletten of Jacksonville Mayo Clinic -

Central Sensitization Syndrome - Dr. Christopher Sletten:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJNhdnSK3WQ

Knowing the "why behind the what" sometimes helps put the pieces together to better understand but obviously doesn't change the fact that it is what it is. You ask if there are any solutions - unfortunately, only symptom management as you have found out from your own journey. Besides medication, do you find other ways to work through the rise in symptoms during the spring and summer?

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Rachel, sorry I didn't answer your question about finding other ways in spring and summer. The answer is I do not know any other ways to work through it (I have tried everything cold packs, heat, vitamins, acupuncture, herbal, chiro etc.) other than sucking it up and waiting it out and taking a painkiller when it is no longer bearable, or it impacts or restricts your life. I spent a lot of time working in the jungles of the Amazon where the pressure rarely changes much and guess what, no pain.

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I did some reading on changes in the weather and your body. There is some truth to a change in barometric pressure does effect your body. Unfortunately those of us with chronic pain, these changes effect us negatively.

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@csearch

Great answer, thank you. I think we all seem to feel most doctors dismiss this as an old wives tale, and painkillers are the only real true relief. I think we would all like a cure but alas none is on the horizon. My son has the same talent so he is not impressed I passed it on to him.

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I definitely do not think it's an old wives tale and being dismissed by a doctor in invalidating. This is why I found solace in learning from Dr. Sletten as he broke down the science proving that this is not in someone's head. Validation is important.

I grew up hearing my Mom complain every time it was going to be humid, rain or snow because it affected her pain levels. She talked and talked about it most of my life. Eventually, my just hearing the weather report of a front moving in, became a trigger that increased my anxiety and empathy in anticipation for her pain.

When I went through 3 weeks at Mayo's pain rehab center for my own chronic pain and conditions, I learned about "pain behaviors" - anything you do, say or think that reminds you of chronic (not acute) pain. This process of accessing the brain's pain excitatory pathways leads to and generates more pain. I was like POW, BAM, BOOM!!! Made logical sense, but I'd never thought about it that way before. Not to say pain will completely go away with this approach but it can contribute to the reduction of pain - like cutting off fuel lines to a fire.

Anyway, just sharing what has helped me in hopes of helping someone else. I still listen to my Mom complain about the weather and while the weather now negatively affects me, too, it has become my choice to not speak of it, as one of many steps in my pain-management approach, and its helped. Plus, my loved ones are spared.

Hmm... talent or super power??? I'm going with Super Power because it sounds way cooler. You and your son could write your own Marvel comic for a side gig. What do you say?! 😊

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@csearch

Rachel, sorry I didn't answer your question about finding other ways in spring and summer. The answer is I do not know any other ways to work through it (I have tried everything cold packs, heat, vitamins, acupuncture, herbal, chiro etc.) other than sucking it up and waiting it out and taking a painkiller when it is no longer bearable, or it impacts or restricts your life. I spent a lot of time working in the jungles of the Amazon where the pressure rarely changes much and guess what, no pain.

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How amazing to work in the Amazon! Might you consider reading or listening to a pod cast about the Amazon jungles during those difficult times for distraction? Although the barometric pressure in your living room may not be ideal, maybe taking your brain on a little vacation will help temporarily.

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@rwinney

I definitely do not think it's an old wives tale and being dismissed by a doctor in invalidating. This is why I found solace in learning from Dr. Sletten as he broke down the science proving that this is not in someone's head. Validation is important.

I grew up hearing my Mom complain every time it was going to be humid, rain or snow because it affected her pain levels. She talked and talked about it most of my life. Eventually, my just hearing the weather report of a front moving in, became a trigger that increased my anxiety and empathy in anticipation for her pain.

When I went through 3 weeks at Mayo's pain rehab center for my own chronic pain and conditions, I learned about "pain behaviors" - anything you do, say or think that reminds you of chronic (not acute) pain. This process of accessing the brain's pain excitatory pathways leads to and generates more pain. I was like POW, BAM, BOOM!!! Made logical sense, but I'd never thought about it that way before. Not to say pain will completely go away with this approach but it can contribute to the reduction of pain - like cutting off fuel lines to a fire.

Anyway, just sharing what has helped me in hopes of helping someone else. I still listen to my Mom complain about the weather and while the weather now negatively affects me, too, it has become my choice to not speak of it, as one of many steps in my pain-management approach, and its helped. Plus, my loved ones are spared.

Hmm... talent or super power??? I'm going with Super Power because it sounds way cooler. You and your son could write your own Marvel comic for a side gig. What do you say?! 😊

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Yes Rachel, choosing to ignore it works until your PT looks at you and says, "The weather really is going to change, isn't it?" As he starts doing MFR therapy on your neck...and then notices your hands have swollen too.
Today my 7 yo grandson said his muscles "aren't happy" when it gets chilly. So we went outside in sweatshirts, warmed up our muscles, and did an hour of running around and yard work.

It's amazing what kids can accomplish when you teach them to use special adult tools like loppers and challenge them to show off their muscles! Two little boys, ages 4 &7, filled a yard waste bin, cut 1/2 bushel of kale for their tortoise, and assorted other chores in an hour. I think I owe them a trip to the old-fashioned arcade for games this weekend.
Sue

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@sueinmn

Yes Rachel, choosing to ignore it works until your PT looks at you and says, "The weather really is going to change, isn't it?" As he starts doing MFR therapy on your neck...and then notices your hands have swollen too.
Today my 7 yo grandson said his muscles "aren't happy" when it gets chilly. So we went outside in sweatshirts, warmed up our muscles, and did an hour of running around and yard work.

It's amazing what kids can accomplish when you teach them to use special adult tools like loppers and challenge them to show off their muscles! Two little boys, ages 4 &7, filled a yard waste bin, cut 1/2 bushel of kale for their tortoise, and assorted other chores in an hour. I think I owe them a trip to the old-fashioned arcade for games this weekend.
Sue

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This discussion has been enjoyable; people may now understand they are not alone. I think the worst thing mentally is believing you are unique. As Rachel has christened it our "superpowers", it would be far better if we could make money out of it! Maybe 300 years ago, we may have been seen as a weather oracle, and people aspired to have this talent. I make a little humor out of the condition, but to those who suffer, it is not fun.

I also suffer similar pain when flying, which is all about pressure. I had zero pain in the northern Amazon jungle as I indicated previously, for years (I was probably worried more about pumas, snakes, and malaria, lol). This time cemented that pressure changes were the definitive cause of the pain. I was in Dubai for a few months with no pain, then flew to Australia in September (my home country), and here I go again; 3 or 4 days before rain, the pain returned.

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Meteorology wasn't a side effect listed by my Primary Care Physician. All jokes aside, yes the pain is real, and hot and cold applications can ease the discomfort associated with barometric pressure changes.
Doing toe to head joint flexes as you are able- ankle flexing* toes pointing up and down- sit and raise legs at the knee Stand and raise legs independently while grasping a chair for balance < and so on> try to get your body moving at your speed and comfort level. Doing basic movements is more challenging, but stretches help me.

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Absolutely! All my pain and then this overwhelming ache everywhere. After 16 years of this i usually remember now.
But when it happens i just want o lay in fetal position and hope i can sleep. Nobody wants to drugs but sometimes its the only thing that allows me to carry on.

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You are not alone and the effects of barometric pressure changes increasing pain can be at least partially explained. The joints and bursae have fluid in them and when the barometric pressure decreases, the fluid pressure increases and can. Cause pain, swelling and stiffness. The faster the change and more extreme the change, the worse it is. Baro pressures drop when cooler or stormy weather approaches and the pain can be felt 24 hrs or more before the storm or cld comes in. I use this information to anticipate and modify my medication, like anti inflammatory meds, and activities, like social plans, to accommodate the change. I also wear warmer clothes, get out the heating pad and plan simpler meals and comfort foods. Baro pressure changes also cause increased vasodilation which can trigger migraines and sinus problems.
I used to spend winters in AZ instead of CO and now have moved there permanently for this reason. It’s the reason there are so many snowbirds trying to escape the cold and snow storms. You can use the barometer as one of your tools to help manage your health and pain. I find 30mm is my threshold. Below is bad, above is better. Have fun experimenting with this. I hope it helps you!

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@rwinney I am about to try what you would call advanced hypnosis, where the person running it helps try to have your body modify what it feels. >99% of what your body does is all subconscious. You do not have to think about breathing, heart beating, body healing, digesting food, growing hair, etc. People may think treatment is something way out there, but I have seen his work where, after a year, he was able to help a person who had brain damage partially remap his patient's brain to take up the slack for what was lost during the injury. If we think about meditation, those highly skilled people can almost stop their heartbeat, reduce pain, and elevate to another way of thinking by using their minds. I believe with all the improvements we have made in medicine, maybe we have forgotten what our bodies can do. We know, for example, that opioids can worsen your pain over time as our brain gets retrained a little that we are in pain, and without the tablet, our pain will be wrong. Those of us with chronic pain where there is no time frame to its end are dependent on pain relief, not addicted to pain relief.

The mind is a powerful tool; just like a computer, we can reprogram certain aspects. I am not sure we really know to what extent. When you run out of alternatives, you educate yourself on what else exists. I am not a doctor but by education, I am a scientist, and as such, I seek out answers through data. Will this treatment help? I have no idea, but I have seen evidence that some remarkable changes have occurred in others. It would be fantastic if you could teach the brain that the pain signals are not that your body is in a stressful or damaged situation, but that it is now what is normal and to chill out on the pain signals we are under day in and day out.

I am not a spiritual person or one who chases miracles by religion but hell if I can find a solution to my pain through a benign no risk treatment, I am all for it.

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