Did PAXLOVID also relieve your arthritis and autoimmune symptoms?
Hi, everyone
I have been diagnosed with autoimmune diseases.
The diagnoses have changed over time (lupus, not lupus, spondyloarthropathy, akylosing spondylitis, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, Raynaud's, Sjorgren and maybe others that I have forgotten... sorry about the spelling).
When I took Paxlovid for Covid, many of my symptoms disappeared or were significantly reduced.
Has this happened to anyone else?
I'm thinking that perhaps my autoimmune disease is somehow based on a VIRUS, since paxlovid is an anti-viral and it was like a miracle cure for my symptoms.
I told my rheumatologist about it, but I couldn't get her to focus on the logical connection between the anti-viral (paxlovid) and the reduction in my symptoms. It was very frustrating. I actually cried in my car after the appointment.
I think this could be a game-changing piece of evidence in my medical treatment and diagnosis. And maybe for other autoimmune disease sufferers, too! But I don't know where to turn with this evidence.
What do you think I should do? What doctor should I go to?
My primary care doctor probably won't offer anything; he never intervenes in my rheumatological care.
Please let me know if you had the same experience: an anti-viral medication (paxlovid or another one) reduced your autoimmune/arthritis symptoms.
I searched around online, and it was hard to find and hard to understand information there. In the CDC's PubMed, I found one source that indicates the possibility that immune suppressing medications can reactivate the Epstein Barr virus in some patients. Epstein Barr causes fatigue, among other symptoms, but fatigue is one of my worst symptoms.
Thanks!
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Have you ever tried just taking ritonavir, without the nirmatrelvir? Nirmatrelvir is necessary for treating COVID, but it doesn't sound like anyone here has tested whether is is necessary for the effect on their autoimmune symptoms.
I’m trying to be seen at Mayos. Have long covid for 6 months and am going there to get advice. Should I forget about going?
I get frustrated reading all the post, cuz they talk about things I don’t know about..
Can I ask what you have? I just tested with High GAD65. I do not have DM and I am very symptomatic with spasms so STIFF PERSON SYNDROME is my 5th autoimmune. I'm so mad at Mayo clinic. It's so sad.
I'm so happy you got a dx and are having treatment.
Hi bcborn,
I think it's frustrating for everybody since it's all so new that nobody really knows for sure. And everybody is trying to figure out all kinds of things, too.
I would keep going to Mayo if I were you.
Good luck to you!
Hi Val 64,
That's interesting!
Have you tried it? What kind of doctor prescribes ritonavir? Immunologist?
All of my docs are reluctant to try anything atypical.
Thanks!
Great question. I have not taken ritonavir alone because I strongly suspect that my autoimmunity is the result of a severe norovirus I had in adolescence. My most prominent symptoms are gastrointestinal. Noroviruses, as I understand it, are related to, or similar to, coronaviruses. For this reason, I suspect both parts of Paxlovid work well for me. Researchers know that noroviruses can cause autoimmune disorders. What I don’t understand is WHY it’s taken so long for them to figure out that antivirals plus boosters like ritonavir for HIV work well for other autoimmune disorders. I guess because AI disorders mostly affect women? If autoimmunity led predominately to erectile dysfunction, this would have handled 50 years ago.
Hi, Anne.
I have an appointment with my Rheumatologist on Nov. 16th. I will for sure mention it to her. I'm not sure that they will prescribe it as a daily, long term medication. It's probably like antibiotics. Too much can make bacteria resistant. But... I WOULD like them to be aware of the virus/autoimmune connection. I think it could be important for research.
You take care! Hope you are doing better
Rita
A lot of scientific research isn't really planned, just dumb luck. The story I heard was that the drug that became Viagra was developed in the hope that it would treat angina. They were doing a clinical trial on angina patients and realized that these old guys liked the drug much more than could be explained by its (non) effect on their angina. The patients had to tell the researchers what it actually did.
Hopefully you guys telling the researchers and drug company that paxlovid helps your autoimmune symptoms will bring about a similar explosion of research activity. Lord knows there are enough people with autoimmune problems that they should be able to make money from it.
I took Paxlovid for COVID two weeks ago. I think it temporarily reduced knuckle pain and swelling from osteoarthritis. My fingers have swelling and pain again now. Just wondered if there was a connection?
Hey there Rita,
When I mentioned it to my rheumatologist she said she couldn't prescribe Paxlovid unless I had active Covid. She didn't say this, but I think it is illegal for doctors to prescribe Paxlovid "off label" since it still only has emergency authorization and not full approval.
Another person here said they got paxlovid from an online doctor. I don't think I want to go that route since I have had some liver damage.
I appreciate your good wishes. I am not doing well. I'm going to PT, and everything still hurts, and my new LDN has not done anything yet, and my house is a mess, and whine, whine, whine...It's making me frustrated, cranky and depressed. BUT, thanks for your post...makes me feel less alone! I feel a little less useless when I can post something here, in the off chance that it can help somebody else...But the back, hands and eyes have to let me...
Thanks, again! (sorry about the whine. Let's get some cheese and have a party.)