Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain
When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.
Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.
I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.
You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.
Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.
Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?
Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.
Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?
Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?
Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?
Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.
Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.
John
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@johnbishop John, I have the trekking poles and do use them....at times. I find that with my PN I have good days and not so good days as far as balance is concerned. Not sure if others experience this as well. On good days, the trekking poles do help. On bad days, they don't work as well. Of course, where I live everything is as flat as a pancake, so I use them on flat surfaces. Bottom line, yes, they do help.
My doctor took a small blood sample on a slide and tested it overnight. He found traces of various acids and degreasers that I was exposed to in my business for over 25 years. I don’t know if he still practices but if you really want to find out and are willing to travel to NY and pay out of pocket since he doesn’t accept insurance look up Dr Thomas Szulc. He is the most brilliant doctor you could ever meet. Tell him your story. He does all sorts of chelation and neural therapies. Amazing but not cheap. Good luck.
This discussion was very helpful to me. I began feeling off-balance when walking in March 2022. At first I thought it was a new manifestation of Meniere disease that I was diagnosed with around 5 yrs ago, and controlling w/ Claritin, but the symptom was not dizziness nor dependent on head motion. In June '22, PCP suggested that it might just go away. In Sept I started seeing an ENT doc who didn't think I had the right symptoms for an inner-ear problem, another ENT with a specialty in balance issues also didn't have a diagnosis, just suggested I try a few typical Meniere's/tinnitus protocols--no salt, caffeine, alcohol--which made no difference. The endocrinologist I was seeing for osteoporosis was attentive to my symptoms and recommended seeing a neurologist, which I did in March. She did a lot of blood tests, electrical stimulation of my legs (that was OK), punch skin biopsy 3 wks ago. In May I started having numbness of toe pads, balls of feet, tight feeling and warmness around ankles. Biopsy results aren't in yet, no diagnosis or treatment, follow-up appt 8/21. I researched ALA on Mayo and other reputable websites and started dosing myself as a possible prophylactic exercise, until I get some treatment decision from the neurologist. I was heartened to see that it was a part of the above-mentioned Protocol. I really appreciate this forum, because lack of diagnosis has concerned me as symptoms progress with no treatment. (I am in the Chicago area, so it's not a question of expert availability.)
See my comment above.
I have neuropathy. Scrambler has reduced pain almost completely.
Hi,
There is a great neuropathy group on this forum.
I wouldn't want to wish this on anybody. This is the most horrible thing that I have had to endure in my life so far. Nothing helps. I can barely stand anything touching my feet. I take Cymbalta for the pain but it rarely works.
Kindly try Yoga Exercises under supervision.
God bless you.
@gba, Good to hear the Scrambler therapy relieved your neuropathy pain. Numbness is something a lot of us have. There are several good discussions on numbness from neuropathy along with a lot of different posts in other related discussions. The search function at the top of the Connect page can help you wade through a lot of the information until you see something that relates to your condition, symptoms, or situation. You might want to give it a try with your own search parameters. Here are the results using "numbness in feet +what helps" without the quotation marks
--- https://connect.mayoclinic.org/search/?search=numbness+in+feet+%2Bwhat+helps
I'm so sorry. I am in your shoes, except numb with burning pain (toes up past my knees). The only think I know is to take good care of your feet! And wear good supportive shoes (I can only wear flip-flops.)
I have lost toenails, cut my feet, etc., and never knew it or felt it! (Yet I feel burning all the time! I don't get it, but it's a fact.). Be sure you get into the habit of checking and watching them for damage. I have also recently had a minor scrap on my shin that was tiny, became infected, then a huge open wound, and it took 3 months to heal it!
So, if you find damage - treat it immediately and keep a close watch. HTH I'm sorry I don't have anything better.