Does anyone have neuropathy related to MGUS?

Posted by quarksunite @quarksunite, Feb 18, 2023

I have neuropathy in my feet and lower legs caused by MGUS the docs tell me, I do not have pain - just numbness. Does anyone know of any supplements or drugs that help alleviate the numbness?

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@pmm

Good grief! If I thought my leg was going to feel as though it was split in two by a giant axe in my sleep, I would think that would be grounds for chronic insomnia!
I’m so sorry.
You’re right. It’s always perspective. I am so lucky to have symptoms I can work around and live with. You inspire me with your grit and determination!
Patty

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If things are particularly unpleasant, I kind of say to myself “it could be worse”, and then I actually purposefully think of something that would be worse - then, I’m thankful that I’m only dealing with what I am in that moment 🙂
Perspective and relativity 👍🏻
I learned long ago that fear isn’t useful. Finding strategies and prioritising to maintain the best equilibrium was, along with being flexible to deal with the odd surprise or change in function here and there.
Thanks Patty 🙂🙌🏻

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@renesotomayor

I have MGUS and suffer of peripheral neuropathy (PN) for at least 5 years. My PN affects my legs and feet and it manifest itself as numbness and tingling but no pain. I’m 86 years old.

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Welcome @renesotomayor, I've had the numbness that started in my toes for over 25 years but only bothered to get a diagnosis in 2016 when it seemed to be progressing some. I guess we both can count ourselves lucky that we don't have pain with the neuropathy. I'm 80 years old but living the best life I can and trying to focus on some daily exercise, healthy eating and staying as positive as I can. I have been working a little harder on my balance exercises because I really don't want to have a bad fall and make things worse.

Have you found anything that helps you get through the day?

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@wendy50

I forgot to add I also have neuropathy in my feet. I fall a lot too. But it’s hard to say if the falls come from not feeling my feet, or a weakened left leg from a spinal issue, or bone on bone arthritic damage to my knees.

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Sorry to hear Wendy. Sounds hard. The way I tell the difference between spine issues causing weakness/nerve symptoms in my legs and the issue of PN is how symptoms are in my thighs and pelvis/hips - when this is high, and while laying down I have difficulty moving my legs (they’re heavier/shooting pain from spine to thighs, etc) then I know it’s spinal. When I have stabbing into my hells when I place my foot on the floor, I know that’s spine. Numbness in feet/lower legs, loss of distal proprioception (knowing where my foot is in space and having it move accordingly comes from the PN (it took me years to learn the difference). I have failed prior back surgery for chronic compression from multiple disc injuries when I was 28 (amongst other damage). I have a knee replacement on the left (I got it when 47 due to bone on bone and 5 prior surgeries to help keep it working eventually failing), and I’ve damaged the prosthesis in a fall (I’m waiting on another replacement as this is now very loose and contributes to more falls). I know when it’s the knee when my leg buckled and collapses - these falls are kind of ‘building implosion’ type falls; straight down because the ‘foundation’ has collapsed. Hopefully there’s something helpful there?

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@mguspixi25

Hehe, that’s actually a description of literally what it’s like day to day at my house. While repairing something I inevitably slice my hand with a screwdriver or drop something on my foot, and never realise till I see blood all over the floor, my clothes, and benches/furniture - my house would look like a crime scene under black-light.. I stopped going to hairdressers having grown tired of them asking why I have bruises on my head and shoulders (from impact with walls and floor due to these daily random falls). Six years of increasing falls and they’re just not the same priority as they used to be, I guess..they’re just part of my daily life, like breathing, and headaches and tiredness if my head connects particularly hard with the tiles. Sometimes I’ve been stuck for a couple of days where I’ve fallen because I’m really hurt, but nothing I haven’t been able to eventually crawl into bed and mostly recover from given a few weeks or so 👍🏻
At least neuropathy makes the sensation of pain and injury much less to the point of not feeling it in my arms and legs, which in turn makes it much less distressing to have so many falls/mishaps which would otherwise be painful 🙂
I’ve seen treatments using near infrared, compression socks, and other modalities related to changing the signalling from prior injured nerves with the brain - claiming to cure neuropathy, however I wear compression socks to my knees daily due to risk of clotting with no perceptible improvement in neuropathy (motor or sensory), I have used infrared extensively with zero perceptible change, and I’ve tried various methods/meds claiming to alter the ‘perception of nerve injury in the brain’ with zero change (likely because the peripheral nerves are damaged and so cannot send the right signals rather than me ‘thinking’ the signal is just one of injury). I’ve had nerve tests and there’s peripheral damage. I’ve had brain MRI’s and there’s also inflammation/loss of mass, so it’s clearly not the way I’m ‘deciding to think of my “pain”’ (it’s not actually pain, it’s numbness and loss of proprioception).
Mostly here I’ve been conditioned to avoid medics because they are more forceful than a drug dealer when it comes to pushing mind altering chemicals, which I’m not interested in experiencing again due to their incapacitation (side effects like hallucinations, dizziness, falls (!!), double vision, seizures, depression, suicidality, etc), and besides being awful to experience, I need to be as functional as possible to facilitate living alone/remain independent.
There are podiatrists here that claim laser treatment will treat ‘nerve conditions’ when applied to the foot, however I haven’t bothered to investigate.
The other symptom I get is the sensation a giant axe has instantly split my leg into two from the knee to my toes, in the night several times which wakes me up yelling in pain (I’m not sure if it’s the sound or the pain that actually wakes me up), but that’s been some years now so I’m used to it (its not a priority). It’s 4:35am and I’ve been awake with a sensation the bottoms of my feet are being hit repeatedly with hammers for the last two hours after a particularly intense axe-split event, but it’ll settle soon 😉
It’s not so bad because it’s not a consequence to survival (I have diaphragm palsy so that’s a priority - I use a ventilator to keep me alive while I sleep, which is worth much more close attention to making sure the equipment and parts are all in working order before I go to sleep each night than a couple of whiny feet) 🙂

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Sorry for all your pain. Do you have MGUS as well? My heel on both feet fell like a drill is boring a hole about 1/2 inch wide.

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@johnbishop

Welcome @renesotomayor, I've had the numbness that started in my toes for over 25 years but only bothered to get a diagnosis in 2016 when it seemed to be progressing some. I guess we both can count ourselves lucky that we don't have pain with the neuropathy. I'm 80 years old but living the best life I can and trying to focus on some daily exercise, healthy eating and staying as positive as I can. I have been working a little harder on my balance exercises because I really don't want to have a bad fall and make things worse.

Have you found anything that helps you get through the day?

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Unfortunately, almost nothing. One rubbing oil called NEUROPATHY helps a little with the tingling of my feet. It’s an Homeopathic oil that I found in Amazon. Good luck.

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@tootsie10

Sorry for all your pain. Do you have MGUS as well? My heel on both feet fell like a drill is boring a hole about 1/2 inch wide.

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I have MGUS IgG Lambda, low levels of IgA. I’m on the cusp of SMM according to bone marrow sample taken a couple years ago now, however in that time I’ve definitely developed more intense symptomatology (significant spine bone pain, and long bone pain in my legs, as well as kappa/lambda ratio being outside usual parameters, and fatigue that hits like a truck that calls for laying down - something I never had before). I’m wondering how accurate the sample was at that time, considering distribution isn’t uniform throughout the marrow in the body, and they took the sample immediately adjacent to some stainless hardware which has significant thickening of cortical-like bone around it (suggesting to me that perhaps they didn’t get an indicative sample? 🙂).
I’m sorry to hear it’s really painful in your heels.
I believe that because MGUS isn’t seen to be ‘cancer’, many of the non-cancer symptoms that come with having a monoclonal gammopathy are summarily dismissed by many in the medical community (ie:you don’t have cancer so you cannot have other symptoms), however having wrong kinds of cells/antigens floating around will cause some other non-cancer related problems, due to the nature of what they are and the effects they have on other tissues. This is a matter of great neglect imho, where this could be a great area to address for those of us with symptoms related to monoclonal gammopathy itself.
My haematologist looks at me like I’ve instantly grown a second head if I dare mention it in his presence haha 😉

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@mguspixi25

Just saw this question via the Mayo Clinic Connect email.. I’ve had neuropathy for around 6 years now (MGUS IgG lambda low IgA), and I’ve tried high dose IV steroids (no improvement once ceased), cellcept (significant worsening once ceased), mestinon (works but with quick tolerance resistance), and colchicine (allergy - was unable to see if it was effective). The only thing that has helped in my case is adequate nutritional supplementation of vitamins, as well as supportive nerve cell care (supplements that support brain and peripheral nerve health and anti oxidation), however they’ve only slowed progress; not reversed it. I have been exposed to significant pesticides and herbicides as a teenager working on farms (no such thing as PPE back then), as well as other chemical toxins from metal work without fume protection (welding in confined spaces, petroleum products on skin and inhaled from atmosphere for extended periods), and coal dust exposure (mine visits doing return to work assessments).
I was seeing a professor of neurology however he had no idea what to do and was pretty much experimenting with the above medicines. My haematologist denies any link at all between toxic exposure and MGUS, as well as MGUS and peripheral neuropathy (despite research papers to the contrary which I have provided for him to read).
The peripheral neuropathy used to bother me with frequent falls (I fall often due to lack of sensory awareness), however I’m used to it now, and the benefit is I don’t feel the bruises. I also don’t worry about hot water, jamming my fingers in car doors, or dropping heavy/sharp objects onto my feet. The only thing to watch for is if you cut yourself and don’t know that you might be bleeding quite a bit (turn back and have a look behind you every now and again for the telltale trail, if you’ve been doing anything that can result in injury 😉). Inflammatory bowel disease often prevents taking a strict regime of supplementation in my case, so I just take what I can, gut permitting. I live alone so I tend to not worry too much about it, based on all the other stuff that running a household alone comes with which require a little more focus 🙂
The worst bit of the neuro fallout is memory loss and cognitive decline that I’ve noticed progressing over that same 6 years or so. But that again is something I’ve learned to compensate and adjust to.
Along with some of the dietary references above, I take a super greens and reds, lecithin powder (sunflower), silica, and a gut support powder with specific probiotics (very helpful in reducing systemic inflammation - as shown by changes in brain inflammation on mri).
I’m thinking to ask the haematologist to consider IVIg..no harm in experimenting one more time 🙂

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started sandblasting and painting jop at 13, used to wash the paint off my hands and face with laquer thinner, five years of that, then exposure to benzene in fuel and constant over the years safety kleen solvents, mechanic 22 years and shop owner 15, mgus at 66, your hemo doc is wrong, damage to dna at bone marrow after accumulated time/concentrate, my stepfather used roundup without ppe and I warned him, he had multiple myeloma, but I find a 2 hour bike ride hike push bike up trails and ride back keeps them away for 2 days, 3rd day they are back, D.mg

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@migunner

started sandblasting and painting jop at 13, used to wash the paint off my hands and face with laquer thinner, five years of that, then exposure to benzene in fuel and constant over the years safety kleen solvents, mechanic 22 years and shop owner 15, mgus at 66, your hemo doc is wrong, damage to dna at bone marrow after accumulated time/concentrate, my stepfather used roundup without ppe and I warned him, he had multiple myeloma, but I find a 2 hour bike ride hike push bike up trails and ride back keeps them away for 2 days, 3rd day they are back, D.mg

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Sorry to hear such toxic exposures occurred.
Yes I think there’s some kind of positive outcome from physical activity; when I was still physically functional enough, physical activity would make improvements.
When I initially noticed symptoms (early 30’s) I tried to stay as active as possible to try to stave off illness. I was diagnosed (MGUS, bone marrow biopsy) at 48, however it was a good 4-5 years before that when I started having nerve problems (beyond what I had from a traffic incident at 28), and that’s when I think MGUS was becoming an issue symptomatically.
As a child I was standing in pans of petrol cleaning engine parts for rebuilds for hours each day after school. No shoes, neither gloves. Felt crook as afterwards, like I may have had less exposure if I drank petrol instead hehe.

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@quarksunite

Yes MGUS can cause numbness. I have had the numbness for about three years now. It is not complete. I can still feel parts of the bottom of my feet but I feel very unsteady and have to walk slowly. The neurologist I have been seeing is sending me to a hematologist. I exercise but it does not seem to help. What supplements do you take that you believe helps you. I could ask about them when I see the hematologist. What causes your numbness?

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I to have MGUS and very unsteady on my feet due to my neuropathy.
None of my physicians have ever mentioned that MGUS could be the cause.

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@mguspixi25

Sorry to hear Wendy. Sounds hard. The way I tell the difference between spine issues causing weakness/nerve symptoms in my legs and the issue of PN is how symptoms are in my thighs and pelvis/hips - when this is high, and while laying down I have difficulty moving my legs (they’re heavier/shooting pain from spine to thighs, etc) then I know it’s spinal. When I have stabbing into my hells when I place my foot on the floor, I know that’s spine. Numbness in feet/lower legs, loss of distal proprioception (knowing where my foot is in space and having it move accordingly comes from the PN (it took me years to learn the difference). I have failed prior back surgery for chronic compression from multiple disc injuries when I was 28 (amongst other damage). I have a knee replacement on the left (I got it when 47 due to bone on bone and 5 prior surgeries to help keep it working eventually failing), and I’ve damaged the prosthesis in a fall (I’m waiting on another replacement as this is now very loose and contributes to more falls). I know when it’s the knee when my leg buckled and collapses - these falls are kind of ‘building implosion’ type falls; straight down because the ‘foundation’ has collapsed. Hopefully there’s something helpful there?

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Thank you for answering! I’m brand new to this website, so I’m just learning to use it. We have a lot in common- sorry for us!

In August of last year I went to the er with severe back pain. I learned a lot from the test results. I had three compression fractures in my lumbar region. I also had nerve compression at one level and they suggested surgery for L5-S1. There was severe compression on both sides. I had cementing of the three fractures. Then another one collapsed and I broke my collarbone in a fall. So, another cementing and a nerve block for my left leg. I started PT for my weakened back. My doctor discovered osteoporosis and I began monthly injections.
My back had become so weakened I was unable to swim( I used to swim a mile every day).
PT was designed to work hard so I could walk normally. Instead, my knees, which were bone on bone blew out. Intense pain in the right unlike before. ( I had managed my arthritic knees with injections every three months)
In May I had a total right knee replacement, at 73. I have been in PT now for two months. At ten weeks out I can walk without an aid. But I have a limp and can’t walk far. My left leg is weaker than the right! It’s like there is a short circuit from brain to left leg, in terms of stride. And from PT I know the quad muscles are weaker.

Add to that, I also have PN and can’t feel my left foot. It seems to be moving into my ankle. Is that possible?

I was born with MTHFR double allele mutation, have MGUS, and developed hemolytic anemia. I don’t know if any of these conditions contribute to my current challenge.

Any suggestions out there? All I want is to be able to walk my dog and travel again!!

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