Mild cognitive impairment: What questions to ask the neurologist?

Posted by sb4ca @sb4ca, Jul 8, 2023

I have been having increased problems with word retrieval, forgetting the subject in the middle of a discussion, not knowing how to spell words that I've always spelled in the past, missing important meetings etc. My neurologist had me take a cognition test and did an MRI. Both showed mild cognitive impairment. I really don't know how this advances or how rapidly. My meeting is tomorrow. Does anyone have suggestions on what I should ask?

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The comments about neuropsychological evaluations remind me (and I need reminding!) that I've had 2. I've noted my fondness for the profession's use of "mild cognitive impairment," but my firt encounter with a neurological euphemism was when I got my first neuropsychological report, which said I was "borderline" in 2 or 3 things. My wife expressed her sympathy. I laughed and told her every scale has 2 borders and, until they tell me otherwise, I'm assuming they mean that I'm borderline superior!!! We had a good laugh--and laughter counts for a lot among us MCIs!

I suffered a mysterious neurological collapse 2 1/2 yrs ago. No one, even at the Mayo, can tell my what caused it. That's ok. I've practiced resilience--i.e., resourcefulness and optimism--coupled with a dash of resignation (when circumstances call for same). My cognition is a mixed bag. I can't sequence for the life of me, and I can't be distracted while concentrating, even while cooking a familiar recipe. Oddly, my reading comprehension is triple what it was before the collapse, but, try as I might, I can never answer many of the questions after the evaluator reads me a simple story.

My advice isn't much different from what's stated above. Eat right. Support your brain. Feed your neuroprocessors. Learn about agonists and antagonists re receptors and what foods may serve as either. Rest is impt, not just at night but during the day, and not just naps, but easing off the mental accelerator when you don't need to be conceptual processing. Exercise is very important, but it's a central nervous system (CNS) stressor too. I cycle 500 mi/month. After a hard workout, I might be mentally flat for an hr or two, but, over the long haul, the strenuous activity promotes cognition. Other CNS stressors are alcohol (I gave it up) and heat, about which I could write 20 pp, as I continue to cycle in N FL, which is very hot in the summer, but a little less frequently, a little slower, and a little less duration.

And what about brain exercise? I did heavy conceptual processing for 50 yrs, up to my retirement due to my neuro collapse. For at least a yr thereafter, I was incapable of any conceptual processing, but I resorted to sensory processing, just to keep the brain engaged. Jill Bolt Taylor describes this process in her book My Stroke of Insight. She was 37 when she had a stroke, and, despite her newly discovered passion for sensory processing, she had no choice but to rehab her conceptual processing (and did!). I was 70 and elected to "go native," staying with sensory processing. What's that? Cycling on the road and thru the woods, hugging my 4 Rhodesian Ridgebacks and watching them communicate by body language, cooking, heavy yardwork, and more.

While pursuing sensory processing, I read several books about neurology, in addition to Taylor's. Two covered the hemispheres of the brain, emphasizing the right hemisphere, which fit right in with my new emphasis on sensory processing. Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind and Iain McGilchrist, The Master and the Emissary.

Lastly, tend to your parasympathetic nervous system, the rest-and-relax response. I did and doing so reinforced everything I've been doing to support my cognition.

It's been quite an adventure and I've enjoyed nearly every minute of it.

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@naturegirl5

@sb4ca. In my view the simple cognitive testing that the neurologist gave you in the office is a screening test. This is like getting your blood pressure checked, you find out your BP is high, and so your doctor does more investigation into why it is high. Your MRI results are very helpful in ruling out what may or may not be an explanation for the cognitive symptoms you’ve described, but more cognitive testing will provide you with more detailed information.

Here is a description of a neuropsychologist and what this specialist does:

Clinical Neuropsychology
https://www.apa.org/ed/graduate/specialize/neuropsychology#:~:text=Clinical%20Neuropsychology%20is%20a%20specialty,and%20the%20design%20of%20effective

What you have described with word retrieval problems, spelling, and forgetting where you are in your sentences is not a sign of normal aging. A neuropsychologist can help you to sort that out.

Is there a memory diagnostic center or memory clinic near you? These are the clinics that specialize in the questions that you are asking about yourself. By the way, even though many clinics have the word « dementia » or « Alzheimer » in the title does not mean that a person who goes there for evaluation has dementia. Their mission is to sort out what is normal aging, what is mild cognitive impairment, and what is dementia (there are several different types).

Here is an example of a group of University of Wisconsin affiliated clinics. Many academic medical centers have a memory clinic.

UW Memory Clinic Network List

https://wai.wisc.edu/memory-clinic-network-list/

Does this information help you to figure out what to ask your doctor?

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Yes, I just found one with University of California which is close to me and I have one doctor there also. I will ask tomorrow about this and also neuropsychologist which also sounds great.

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@sb4ca

Yes, I just found one with University of California which is close to me and I have one doctor there also. I will ask tomorrow about this and also neuropsychologist which also sounds great.

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@sb4ca this is good news that you found a memory clinic at a UC near you. Will you please return and let me know what your doctor says about this tomorrow?

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I will thanks. I also acquired a viral ocular infection that is now causing motor dysfunction in my eye I believe So I need to ask him about that too. I may need another appointment to cover everything because each one is so important. In researching herpes eye infection or aseptic meningitis I found these can create white matter lesions as well. Have you ever heard of that? This time I’m having a recurrence but it’s way worse than before

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sb4ca @sb4ca
I was part of a research study at Mayo about aging / cognitive / etc.. , because it was research and nothing abnormal was discovered, I was not given any definite results. I did have an brain MRI and showed some white matter.

I assume mine was all part of normal aging process. I saw a neurologist for a different problem, and she said it was nothing to be concerned about.

One thing, is you now have a base line, so if tested again in future, you will know if anything changes.

I walked away from cognitive test thinking I was losing it, lot of stress / anxiety / frustration about not being able to do what I thought I should be able to do. Then talked to other people who had similar test, both older and younger than me, and everyone had same frustrations, and to my knowledge, they had no serious cognitive disease.

As far as questions for provider, if it was me I would be asking about:
- Is this just aging or is something else going on?
- Any additional testing required?
- How do I prevent any additional cognitive decline?
- Suggestion for programs that help with coping skills?

I know for me, two coping skills I have are:
- Stop trying to multi-task, that is hard, when younger always juggled multiple things
- I write everything down into my computer, I do not rely on my memory. I am a retired computer project manager, so I am use to documenting everything, but now I do it as a backup to my memory. Lot of technology available, but I use an online app that can access via computer or smart phone. I keep lists, calendar, notes, to do's, etc. The most important thing is I can go back and search documents so if forget something, I have backup to check.

Laurie, age 67

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When I go to the doctor with an ailment, I ask all the questions that I can think of. Then, my last question is: What questions should I have asked? This particular question is the best one I can ask, in terms of learning the most from the doctor. Also, before I go to my appointment I look up my condition in Mayo Clinic and learn all I can there. That often leads to questions I have. Lastly, if you google your condition it will lead you to commonly asked questions and their answers. I write all my questions down on paper and display the paper so that the doctor knows I have questions. By the way, Mayo Clinic has a program for people with MCI and their partners. Best of luck to you and please let us know how you are doing.

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@grdavis3

Ask about the HABIT Program at Mayo. HABIT is short for Healthy Attributes for Independence and Thinking. I have been in this program for approximately 2 years. Very helpful as you meet by zoom with others who are dealing with MCI issues. There are groups for the spouse (care taker) also.

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How can I join

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Is this impacted at all by anxiety or by white coat syndrome?

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Probably going to have to go through your neurologist with an MCI exam. I don’t know for sure (don’t remember the process) .

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@tallyguy

Depending on one's degree of cognitive impairment, there are LOTS of things that can be done. As noted below, I am mildly cognitive impaired (MCI) and the overriding rule is to unburden my cognition. We MCIs have no cognition to spare. So, everything goes on MY table next to the kitchen: books, notes, mail that I want to look at again, and--in a basket--key fobs, my wallet, extra eyeglasses, and lots of other small things. On this table are a charging cord for my phone and one for my chromebook. I keep 3 $150 chromebooks thru the house and I ALWAYS put them back by remembering to connect them to their chargers.

The chromebooks and phone raise the issue of notetaking. I use Google Notes for everything--grocery lists, pool chemicals, and more. I rely on Google Calendar for appts. I lose paper notes and always have my phone (or a chromebook), so I always have my notes. (I am unaffiliated with Google.)

Household and yard clutter are prohibited. The table and basket spare me the frustration of looking for something. (With my impairment, I can't see pliers if they are on the opposite side of the drawer where they are kept.) Clutter raises the lost-item issue, but more importantly draws cognition just in living with it and navigating thru it. It bears repeating, we MCIs have no cognition to lose.

Cognition is learning, recalling, reasoning, problem-solving and attending--the last being the precondition to the rest. For the MCI, attention precludes multitasking, pressured conceptual processing, and distracting or overstimulating settings. Reading instead of tv. Prayer, meditation or well-written poetry instead of the news. Humming and singing (which promote the rest-and-relax parasympathetic nervous system over the fight-or-flee sympathetic nervous system). We MCIs must find the joy of sensory vs conceptual processing, the right brain instead of the left brain all the time.

Hope this helps.

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Hi Tallyguy,
This helps a bunch! MCI and a lifetimer sentence of ADD really makes this life challenging to say the least but I know these are the keys. I have gotten so much out of this post entry just wanted to say Thanks!! Will look for more in the future. First time reading this section of categories. It’s a good morning for sure.

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