Anyone out there on Guanfacine?

Posted by summerof42 @summerof42, Jun 17, 2023

Went to Mayo Clinic to get answers. Internal MD I saw said I have long term Covid. I had a mild case in Nov '21, but a few weeks later the nightmare began. With each and every passing month, new terrible symptoms appear. As of today, I am in such agonizing pain throughout my entire body. It's a combo of stabbing-like pain and burning pain. Every morning I awaken to trembling in my chest and then the pain kicks in. I can only sleep (if at all for 3-4 hrs. Tried everything.

My immune system is attacking itself. I even developed a chalazion on lower eyelid, formed and abscess, 2 surgeries, came back again, and dry eye issues now. I also have ear pain and buzzing. I never had eye issues or anything prior and was so very healthy, like all of us.

Covid has taken the life I once knew away.

The Doc I saw prescribed Guanfacine. He said, Covid causes inflammation everywhere to include the brain and puts us in "flight or fight mode."

The BIGGEST problem I'm having is I have tried for weeks to get a hold of the Doctor I with a question on the Rx. I sent several messages through Mayo mychart, called again and again (9 times) to please have him call me and he will not and just deserted me.

I was told by his assistants he's "too busy." I can't believe a human being, especially a Doctor I drove 4.5 hrs to see and spend $$$$ doesn't have the decency to care enough and call me.

I don't know where to turn and can't stop crying in pain and mysery.

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@summerof42

I suppose the ones who were treated successfully don't come back to the forum anymore. We need those folks to help us learn what treatments worked.

I have a Rx for both, but afraid to try either given it's just in trial phase. Mayo Docs are prescribing these drugs, but I don't understand how it would eradicate the virus within us? What I want is to get this darn beast of virus out of my body and continuing to attack my immune systems and organs. I want to go back to pre-covid days, for all of us. Sorry for whining. . . I guess I need a little cheese with that whine.

Last few days I've dealing with a burning tongue, lips and throat 24/7. making it difficult to eat and I'm already down to 90 lbs wet. I'm also finding it hard to swallow. Went to Doc and he felt lymph nodes in my neck, which is not good. See a sore, red spot on my tonsils and was tested for Strep which turned out negative. I had a Covid test at the same time and waiting for results.

I've been suffering now for almost 3 yrs and with each and every passing month new horrible symptoms appear. How I wish I could have been treated years ago. There must be sort of anti-viral treatment out there.

I read today a Doc in Boston treated woman with an anti-viral med because her bloodwork should she still had 60% of the virus in her blood. Not sure why Mayo is not doing such tests. She was really ill at the time, and it gave her an anti-viral infusion (3 times) which is pretty much the same medication used for HIV, Herbes, etc., and she's 90% better and now pregnant and happy.

We should also have a post on this forum for all the Long Haul Covid'19 clinics in the US for folks.

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In reading many of the posts and folks that are working with Integrative, Holistic and natural MD's, it appears they are getting better results in treading LT Covid as if you're treating Epstein Barr Virus with L-Lysine, etc.

Makes sense to me since they say folks with LT Covid typically had Epstein Barr Virus, unknowingly and w/o symptoms when they were younger. Apparently, there is testing which can be done to determine if you had the virus and I am going to ask my primary MD to order the tests.

I know back in 1987 I had chronic fatigue syndrome which was not even really known back then and I did a lot of research on my symptoms and connected the Docs in looking for cure on my own. All the Doctors at the time weren't aware of it and said CFS doesn't exist. I found a Doctor in NY (I live in WI) who was treating it intravenously with a cocktail mixture of vitamins, etc. As ill as I was, I few out there alone, got the treatment and it cured it up. I wish I could remember the name of that Doctor! His office was in Manhattan. Doc was brilliant and I bet he's now treating LT Covid

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@summerof42

I suppose the ones who were treated successfully don't come back to the forum anymore. We need those folks to help us learn what treatments worked.

I have a Rx for both, but afraid to try either given it's just in trial phase. Mayo Docs are prescribing these drugs, but I don't understand how it would eradicate the virus within us? What I want is to get this darn beast of virus out of my body and continuing to attack my immune systems and organs. I want to go back to pre-covid days, for all of us. Sorry for whining. . . I guess I need a little cheese with that whine.

Last few days I've dealing with a burning tongue, lips and throat 24/7. making it difficult to eat and I'm already down to 90 lbs wet. I'm also finding it hard to swallow. Went to Doc and he felt lymph nodes in my neck, which is not good. See a sore, red spot on my tonsils and was tested for Strep which turned out negative. I had a Covid test at the same time and waiting for results.

I've been suffering now for almost 3 yrs and with each and every passing month new horrible symptoms appear. How I wish I could have been treated years ago. There must be sort of anti-viral treatment out there.

I read today a Doc in Boston treated woman with an anti-viral med because her bloodwork should she still had 60% of the virus in her blood. Not sure why Mayo is not doing such tests. She was really ill at the time, and it gave her an anti-viral infusion (3 times) which is pretty much the same medication used for HIV, Herbes, etc., and she's 90% better and now pregnant and happy.

We should also have a post on this forum for all the Long Haul Covid'19 clinics in the US for folks.

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@emo - just send you private message

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@emo

Thank you for sharing this. It’s really helpful information, but also good to hear of someone who’s persisted and I’m so happy for you that you’re doing better.

I take LDN, but haven’t heard of taking it with NAC. Do they combine it with the LDN, and do you know the dose?

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What has your experience been with LDN as far as your starting and mtc doses, side effects, and how long before you got pain relief (are you taking it for fibro)? I started yesterday for fibro pain at .5mg for 7 days and then increasing by .5mg every week up to 4.5mg. I was already having muscle pain, but it got progressively worse yesterday, lasted all night and today continues with severe muscle pain all over. I decided to skip my LDN today until tomorrow when I can talk to the pharmacist. Thanks.

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@ripley

What has your experience been with LDN as far as your starting and mtc doses, side effects, and how long before you got pain relief (are you taking it for fibro)? I started yesterday for fibro pain at .5mg for 7 days and then increasing by .5mg every week up to 4.5mg. I was already having muscle pain, but it got progressively worse yesterday, lasted all night and today continues with severe muscle pain all over. I decided to skip my LDN today until tomorrow when I can talk to the pharmacist. Thanks.

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Hi! I wrote about it in more detail here: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/882778/

I can't say I noticed much in the way of relief from pain with the LDN, but I felt improvement in fatigue immediately. But it's one of those things where it could be gradual and I might not notice and/or I'm doing other things for chronic pain at the same time (mostly physical therapy grounded in retraining the central nervous system and how it processes pain).

I dunno if you've come across this thread before, but it may be helpful because it's about LDN dosing specific for fibromyalgia: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/ldn-dosing-for-fibromyalgia-and-mecfs/

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@ripley

What has your experience been with LDN as far as your starting and mtc doses, side effects, and how long before you got pain relief (are you taking it for fibro)? I started yesterday for fibro pain at .5mg for 7 days and then increasing by .5mg every week up to 4.5mg. I was already having muscle pain, but it got progressively worse yesterday, lasted all night and today continues with severe muscle pain all over. I decided to skip my LDN today until tomorrow when I can talk to the pharmacist. Thanks.

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I tried LDN some months ago. Whenever I got up to 3 mg, much less, the 4.5 mg, I would have a serious headache (one of the issues I was seeking to treat) so I had to stop.

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@talford

I tried LDN some months ago. Whenever I got up to 3 mg, much less, the 4.5 mg, I would have a serious headache (one of the issues I was seeking to treat) so I had to stop.

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I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. One of the things I liked about LDN is the dose is very customizeable; there are many reports of people who have benefits with less than 4.5 mg, even people who stop at less than a mg, and it can sometimes still be effective. My dad also takes LDN (he has fatigue from an inflammatory arthritis), and his dose ended up being 4.75 mg. When he was taking 5 mg, he was really overactive, bordering on anxious, which led us to scale it back. It's interesting how such a small change can make a difference.

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@emo

Hi- I saw this post and was wondering about the same thing. I found this, which I think may answer some of the questions. I’m really intrigued.
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/potential-new-treatment-for-brain-fog-in-long-covid-patients/#:~:text=Patients%20also%20took%20600%20mg,to%20resume%20their%20normal%20activities
I won’t take a stab at trying to explain the science behind the suspected mechanism of action lol, maybe better to hear it from the researchers themselves.

The study they reference can be found here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667257X22001000

From what I gather, NAC is an anti-inflammatory (the dose was 600 mg daily in a separate supplement). And the Guanfacine is an ADHD medication, but has been used successfully off label to improve cognitive function in TBI (the dose they reported using was 1 mg nightly, increased to 2 mg if the person tolerated it well—it seems that is the standard dose for either ADHD or TBI).

The sample size on their study is very small, but considering NAC is relatively safe and the guanfacine is also a known medication that in theory a PCP might even feel comfortable prescribing if it’s used for ADHD, that also has evidence behind it being used for TBI…it seems relatively low risk to try?

I don’t take either, but my PCP had brought up NAC.

I do take LDN; those dosing regimens are easy to find online. The typical dose is 4.5 mg with a slow titration that seems to depend on what the doctor/patient decide is best. I started at a quarter mg and worked my way up to that. Some people start higher (and it is also very low risk of side effects).

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Regarding LDN, how long did you stay at one dose before going to a higher dose. Did you increase by .25mg each time? Also, any side effects? I started LDN (for fibromyalgia that started 5 days after having Covid) five days ago at .05 but had worse body pain was advised to skip a day and restart at 1/4 of that, or .125. At this low dose, I'm not sure if some increased pain is a side effect or not. Yesterday I had some nausea and flu-like symptoms, which can be side effects that are supposed to subside after a few days on the LDN. I'm hoping it works for me.

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@ripley

Regarding LDN, how long did you stay at one dose before going to a higher dose. Did you increase by .25mg each time? Also, any side effects? I started LDN (for fibromyalgia that started 5 days after having Covid) five days ago at .05 but had worse body pain was advised to skip a day and restart at 1/4 of that, or .125. At this low dose, I'm not sure if some increased pain is a side effect or not. Yesterday I had some nausea and flu-like symptoms, which can be side effects that are supposed to subside after a few days on the LDN. I'm hoping it works for me.

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Yes, I just ended up increasing by .25 mg each time. I stayed at .25 mg for 2 weeks, then increased to .5 mg, and so on, until I reached 4.5 mg. That was the goal my PCP and I agreed upon.

If I experienced side effects for 2-3 days, I dropped back to the previous dose for another 2 weeks, or like you I suppose I would also have gone down to 1/8 of a milligram. Then, I'd moved forward again.

The only thing I did to titrate faster was that later in the game, I waited only 7 days before increasing the dose. I don't really remember when I started doing that, though. It might have been after I got to 2 mg or so. I still followed the same template; if I had side effects that lasted for more than 2 days, I dropped back to the previous dose. But that is my usual model for how to incorporate new interventions for my body though. It's how we manage my central sensitivity syndrome.

The only side effects I had were feeling too energized/alert and difficulty sleeping, which is are known sides effects. I believe GI symptoms and flu-like symptoms may also be known side effects. I didn't have increased pain.

I hope it helps you too.

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@emo

Yes, I just ended up increasing by .25 mg each time. I stayed at .25 mg for 2 weeks, then increased to .5 mg, and so on, until I reached 4.5 mg. That was the goal my PCP and I agreed upon.

If I experienced side effects for 2-3 days, I dropped back to the previous dose for another 2 weeks, or like you I suppose I would also have gone down to 1/8 of a milligram. Then, I'd moved forward again.

The only thing I did to titrate faster was that later in the game, I waited only 7 days before increasing the dose. I don't really remember when I started doing that, though. It might have been after I got to 2 mg or so. I still followed the same template; if I had side effects that lasted for more than 2 days, I dropped back to the previous dose. But that is my usual model for how to incorporate new interventions for my body though. It's how we manage my central sensitivity syndrome.

The only side effects I had were feeling too energized/alert and difficulty sleeping, which is are known sides effects. I believe GI symptoms and flu-like symptoms may also be known side effects. I didn't have increased pain.

I hope it helps you too.

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Why are you taking LDN? (sorry if you mentioned it earlier). What improvements have you seen? Any decrease in pain. Also, are you taking any other meds for your condition besides LDN? Thanks.

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@ripley

Why are you taking LDN? (sorry if you mentioned it earlier). What improvements have you seen? Any decrease in pain. Also, are you taking any other meds for your condition besides LDN? Thanks.

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I wrote about it to you here: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/889113/

The most noticeable improvement was with improved energy. I have central sensitization, POTS, HSD, small fiber neuropathy, seronegative spondyloarthropathy (an inflammatory arthritis), and long COVID with fatigue, chronic pain, and GI symptoms.

I do not take any other medication except a biologic for the spondyloarthropathy, because I don't tolerate medication well. The foundation of my chronic pain management is physical therapy and a comprehensive/integrative pain management approach (focus on function and improving the way the central nervous system/brain interprets pain signals).

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