Post Exertional Malaise

Posted by sammy47 @sammy47, Apr 16, 2023

What can help Post Exertional Malaise crashes that is common with Long Covid same as with ME/CFS?

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@law59

Hi @rinadbq. I may have shared before but thank you for sharing from a medical professional standpoint your journey. I had really tough symptom day yesterday and literally crying this am while I should be grateful slept thru night and woke feeling decent. Tears from this unpredictable excruciating journey of no rhyme/reason, havnt worked in over year with no income, previously very active and helped other family members and now I have to pace taking shower or phone call for whole days activity. Your sharing is giving me drive to keep pushing forward. Thank you for all you did do and helping all of us now💖

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We are in this together; takes one to know one. When one day at a time is just too much to think about, I break it down to just the next hour, and then the next, and then the next. I showered and did my hair today, throwing a bunch of veggies in the oven so I don't have to cook for the next 3 days (did meat yesterday), am returning one phone call and e-mail. Yep, going on 1pm and my day will be done. I applied & just got early retirement for Social Security so there's income to cover insurance. I haven't worked since November 2020.

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@rinadbq

I have been experiencing this for >2 years and have found that pacing myself is the only way to prevent/lessen the degree of crashes. PT,OT,SLP was the biggest help in identifying why I can feel so great, charge forward in my life, then am in excruciating pain with overwhelming & incapacitating exhaustion for 2 days after.

I started with a simple spiral/composition notebook & wrote down everything I did in a day on one page:

Sleep: could I fall asleep, stay asleep, up frequently? Do I feel rested on waking? Did I get hit with exhaustion at 10am and have to go back to bed. Do I need to nap during the day? When did I start feeling tired during the day. What time I went to bed.
Cognitive/Brain work/Thinking: making plans for the week, managing personal finances, work emails, grocery list, planning-social events, travel, train schedules, driving directions, legal work, packing & travel, appointments, reading, puzzles
Physical work: grocery shop, errands, gardening, gym, walking, laundry, meal prep/cooking/clean up, cleaning up the home, wash/dry/set my hair, PT, walking the dog.
'Crash' episodes: what time of day, how long, what it felt like

Next to each activity I mark whether it is Cognitive or Physical, and time spent doing that activity.
On the facing page of the notebook, identify specific symptoms you had during the activity: breathing was harder, coughing, had to stop the activity, fast heart rate, dizzy, off balance, exhaustion, muscle pain, headache, nausea, difficulty concentrating, memory, vision changes, depression or anxiety.
I could then see where my energy was being used. I am now at a limit of 2 hours of physical work and 2-3 hours of cognitive in a day. I know I will crash when I go beyond this.
I do simple meal prep/cooking in one day along with laundry but no thinking work so Im not cooking every day. I count that as a workout. I shower, do my hair, pick out clothing & accessories the day before an outing and do nothing the day of so I have energy to enjoy. My house is not immaculate, just picked up. I get groceries delivered. Only 2 appointments in a day. I use a timer on my phone to help pacing my activity.
My long-haul symptoms have not improved-my time management and pacing has, and that has made all the difference in the world. Of course I still have crashes, but the more I stay in my own limits, the less frequent and less severe they are. PM if you want to talk further,

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This is amazing. So organized. I've been trying to find my baseline. But keeping track of everything is exhausting! You have definitely inspired me to try again, this time I will do it your way. Thank you so much for sharing your experience and technique.

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@rinadbq

It is a HUGE adjustment! Going from ER Nurse in a trauma center working 12 hours shifts to setting an alarm so I know when to stop what I am doing at home. Just mentally wrapping my head around leaving work one day and not able to work the next. I tried going back to simple work in a vaccine clinic for 4 hours and was overwhelmed. At 63 this just may be retirement for me. I can't think of a sedentary 4 hour job.
Knowing where my limits are and what to expect is of great comfort-especially as this syndrome becomes more studied and accepted by the medical community. The first year was ridiculous!

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I agree! I am a NICU nurse of 40 years that got Covid for first time in October. Hospitalized for 5 days and have had continued GI symptoms & extreme fatigue. Can’t imagine working again at this point but am in no way ready for my career to end either. I am a breast cancer survivor who fought like hell and was able to work again after that journey. Very frustrating how this can change your entire life in a heart beat. Have always been very active, been in leadership working full time in a busy ICU, 4 children, 3 grandchildren but life came to a halt last October. Like you said pacing every step of the day and paying dearly for anything you do over. Took 3 weeks to recover from a weekend that involved a funeral and a grandchild’s birthday party. I am truly blessed to have a Dr that understands to help make this journey manageable.

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@mary44

I agree! I am a NICU nurse of 40 years that got Covid for first time in October. Hospitalized for 5 days and have had continued GI symptoms & extreme fatigue. Can’t imagine working again at this point but am in no way ready for my career to end either. I am a breast cancer survivor who fought like hell and was able to work again after that journey. Very frustrating how this can change your entire life in a heart beat. Have always been very active, been in leadership working full time in a busy ICU, 4 children, 3 grandchildren but life came to a halt last October. Like you said pacing every step of the day and paying dearly for anything you do over. Took 3 weeks to recover from a weekend that involved a funeral and a grandchild’s birthday party. I am truly blessed to have a Dr that understands to help make this journey manageable.

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I have had covid twice--Dec 2020 and recently March 28, 2023. I coped after the first time with tipsy/vertigo and a energy crash after about 5 hours but managed to golf 9 holes in a cart. It was stressful pushing thru but the sense of accomplishment was good for my efforts. Now I'm striving to just keep upright and alert but tough sledding. I'm 85 but I'm not giving up and neither should you.

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@mary44

I agree! I am a NICU nurse of 40 years that got Covid for first time in October. Hospitalized for 5 days and have had continued GI symptoms & extreme fatigue. Can’t imagine working again at this point but am in no way ready for my career to end either. I am a breast cancer survivor who fought like hell and was able to work again after that journey. Very frustrating how this can change your entire life in a heart beat. Have always been very active, been in leadership working full time in a busy ICU, 4 children, 3 grandchildren but life came to a halt last October. Like you said pacing every step of the day and paying dearly for anything you do over. Took 3 weeks to recover from a weekend that involved a funeral and a grandchild’s birthday party. I am truly blessed to have a Dr that understands to help make this journey manageable.

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I hear you Mary! I also have 40 years of nursing & if I learned anything, it is life can change in a minute! I try to find something I am grateful for-I am alive, I can live independently in my own house and bathe/feed/take care my ADL's, I can drive, and I am not tethered to oxygen. OK, so the bar is a lot lower than my life before covid. You walked through to the other side of cancer, you know struggle. My 25 year marriage ended after I got sober-16 years ago, I've walked through rough stuff too. And we are still standing on the green side of the grass, not 6' under.
I only spend my time with those who are the most important-my time an energy are precious. My bed isn't made, my hair isn't great, my home isn't spotless, gourmet meals are gone and family gatherings are catered-and that's ok. I feel like Helen Reddy: 'I am woman, hear me roar!'

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@wbbill

I have had covid twice--Dec 2020 and recently March 28, 2023. I coped after the first time with tipsy/vertigo and a energy crash after about 5 hours but managed to golf 9 holes in a cart. It was stressful pushing thru but the sense of accomplishment was good for my efforts. Now I'm striving to just keep upright and alert but tough sledding. I'm 85 but I'm not giving up and neither should you.

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Good for you! I’m a fighter.. giving up is not in me! I’m expecting a new granddaughter in September so I have a lot to look forward to. This has just made me realize my family is the most important and all my energy goes to that not trying to figure out a way to get back to work. Thank you for sharing & keep up your positivity.

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@rinadbq

I hear you Mary! I also have 40 years of nursing & if I learned anything, it is life can change in a minute! I try to find something I am grateful for-I am alive, I can live independently in my own house and bathe/feed/take care my ADL's, I can drive, and I am not tethered to oxygen. OK, so the bar is a lot lower than my life before covid. You walked through to the other side of cancer, you know struggle. My 25 year marriage ended after I got sober-16 years ago, I've walked through rough stuff too. And we are still standing on the green side of the grass, not 6' under.
I only spend my time with those who are the most important-my time an energy are precious. My bed isn't made, my hair isn't great, my home isn't spotless, gourmet meals are gone and family gatherings are catered-and that's ok. I feel like Helen Reddy: 'I am woman, hear me roar!'

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Thank you for your words. This certainly makes you realize what is important in life and only use your energy on what you can. Hang in there too, this is a crazy journey but comforting to know not alone.

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60 mg+ Adderall is my daily regimen.

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@mary44

Good for you! I’m a fighter.. giving up is not in me! I’m expecting a new granddaughter in September so I have a lot to look forward to. This has just made me realize my family is the most important and all my energy goes to that not trying to figure out a way to get back to work. Thank you for sharing & keep up your positivity.

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Enjoy that grandchild!!!

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I have Stage IV melanoma along with Long COVID. I’m also undergoing immunotherapy treatment but having adverse reactions early. I get ravaged by headaches. It has wiped out my thyroid as well. I say this only to give context.

I’m finding strength training is helping me. It seems counterintuitive to exercise when you feel tired, but studies are showing its importance.

At first, I could only do one set and not a full circuit. It wiped me out for hours. Normal activity would wipe me out by 2 as well. However, I would force myself to do strength training or walking as I could. Don’t get me wrong… I still can only do two sets but I can do a full body workout now with yoga stretching afterward. My weights are at beginner level for some of the weight bearing exercises, but I listen to what my body tells me.

I can’t do cardio yet either. I still have dizziness when I change elevation—- sitting up, standing up after laying down, bending over, or going up a flight or two of stairs, or with running.

Amazingly, I’m starting to feel better. It’s taken months.

I don’t know if the change in my diet is helping too. I started juicing more— especially vegetable juices with carrot juice as a base. I started eating more foods that have the lactobilllus reuteri probiotic strain inside. I’m continuing to keep my vitamin D levels up as much as possible. I’m even taking cod liver oil. I rarely eat processed foods and my vegetables outnumber my protein intake. I try to keep the majority of my vegetable intake raw to maximize the nutrient intake. In some ways I feel like I’m returning to my diet as a child! I’ve doubled my water intake too.

I started meditating before going to bed to help calm my mind and reduce any internal stress. I take melatonin before bed when I feel to stressed to sleep as well.

I have a Garmin watch to monitor my sleep, stress levels, oxygen intake, heart rate, respiration, and HRV.

I wish you all the best on your journeys back to wellness. It’s frustrating, but never give up on yourself and continue to stay positive.

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