Post Exertional Malaise

Posted by sammy47 @sammy47, Apr 16, 2023

What can help Post Exertional Malaise crashes that is common with Long Covid same as with ME/CFS?

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For me, fluids and electrolytes! I wake up and begin drinking water. If I am going to exercise, I will add a liquid IV to my water, and possibly one post exercise, If I work out hard.

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I have been experiencing this for >2 years and have found that pacing myself is the only way to prevent/lessen the degree of crashes. PT,OT,SLP was the biggest help in identifying why I can feel so great, charge forward in my life, then am in excruciating pain with overwhelming & incapacitating exhaustion for 2 days after.

I started with a simple spiral/composition notebook & wrote down everything I did in a day on one page:

Sleep: could I fall asleep, stay asleep, up frequently? Do I feel rested on waking? Did I get hit with exhaustion at 10am and have to go back to bed. Do I need to nap during the day? When did I start feeling tired during the day. What time I went to bed.
Cognitive/Brain work/Thinking: making plans for the week, managing personal finances, work emails, grocery list, planning-social events, travel, train schedules, driving directions, legal work, packing & travel, appointments, reading, puzzles
Physical work: grocery shop, errands, gardening, gym, walking, laundry, meal prep/cooking/clean up, cleaning up the home, wash/dry/set my hair, PT, walking the dog.
'Crash' episodes: what time of day, how long, what it felt like

Next to each activity I mark whether it is Cognitive or Physical, and time spent doing that activity.
On the facing page of the notebook, identify specific symptoms you had during the activity: breathing was harder, coughing, had to stop the activity, fast heart rate, dizzy, off balance, exhaustion, muscle pain, headache, nausea, difficulty concentrating, memory, vision changes, depression or anxiety.
I could then see where my energy was being used. I am now at a limit of 2 hours of physical work and 2-3 hours of cognitive in a day. I know I will crash when I go beyond this.
I do simple meal prep/cooking in one day along with laundry but no thinking work so Im not cooking every day. I count that as a workout. I shower, do my hair, pick out clothing & accessories the day before an outing and do nothing the day of so I have energy to enjoy. My house is not immaculate, just picked up. I get groceries delivered. Only 2 appointments in a day. I use a timer on my phone to help pacing my activity.
My long-haul symptoms have not improved-my time management and pacing has, and that has made all the difference in the world. Of course I still have crashes, but the more I stay in my own limits, the less frequent and less severe they are. PM if you want to talk further,

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Pace yourself was the key for me. It's hard to do, but, it helped greatly. Do a little something....Rest....Do a little something....Rest. Rest is healing with Covid. God Bless!

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@rinadbq

I have been experiencing this for >2 years and have found that pacing myself is the only way to prevent/lessen the degree of crashes. PT,OT,SLP was the biggest help in identifying why I can feel so great, charge forward in my life, then am in excruciating pain with overwhelming & incapacitating exhaustion for 2 days after.

I started with a simple spiral/composition notebook & wrote down everything I did in a day on one page:

Sleep: could I fall asleep, stay asleep, up frequently? Do I feel rested on waking? Did I get hit with exhaustion at 10am and have to go back to bed. Do I need to nap during the day? When did I start feeling tired during the day. What time I went to bed.
Cognitive/Brain work/Thinking: making plans for the week, managing personal finances, work emails, grocery list, planning-social events, travel, train schedules, driving directions, legal work, packing & travel, appointments, reading, puzzles
Physical work: grocery shop, errands, gardening, gym, walking, laundry, meal prep/cooking/clean up, cleaning up the home, wash/dry/set my hair, PT, walking the dog.
'Crash' episodes: what time of day, how long, what it felt like

Next to each activity I mark whether it is Cognitive or Physical, and time spent doing that activity.
On the facing page of the notebook, identify specific symptoms you had during the activity: breathing was harder, coughing, had to stop the activity, fast heart rate, dizzy, off balance, exhaustion, muscle pain, headache, nausea, difficulty concentrating, memory, vision changes, depression or anxiety.
I could then see where my energy was being used. I am now at a limit of 2 hours of physical work and 2-3 hours of cognitive in a day. I know I will crash when I go beyond this.
I do simple meal prep/cooking in one day along with laundry but no thinking work so Im not cooking every day. I count that as a workout. I shower, do my hair, pick out clothing & accessories the day before an outing and do nothing the day of so I have energy to enjoy. My house is not immaculate, just picked up. I get groceries delivered. Only 2 appointments in a day. I use a timer on my phone to help pacing my activity.
My long-haul symptoms have not improved-my time management and pacing has, and that has made all the difference in the world. Of course I still have crashes, but the more I stay in my own limits, the less frequent and less severe they are. PM if you want to talk further,

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Hi @rinadbq. Tx so much for taking time and energy to thoroughly explain what so many of us have experienced and hope this type of info can help others with long haul and enable empathy with understanding for those who do not.
Healing to everyone 🌈

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@rinadbq

I have been experiencing this for >2 years and have found that pacing myself is the only way to prevent/lessen the degree of crashes. PT,OT,SLP was the biggest help in identifying why I can feel so great, charge forward in my life, then am in excruciating pain with overwhelming & incapacitating exhaustion for 2 days after.

I started with a simple spiral/composition notebook & wrote down everything I did in a day on one page:

Sleep: could I fall asleep, stay asleep, up frequently? Do I feel rested on waking? Did I get hit with exhaustion at 10am and have to go back to bed. Do I need to nap during the day? When did I start feeling tired during the day. What time I went to bed.
Cognitive/Brain work/Thinking: making plans for the week, managing personal finances, work emails, grocery list, planning-social events, travel, train schedules, driving directions, legal work, packing & travel, appointments, reading, puzzles
Physical work: grocery shop, errands, gardening, gym, walking, laundry, meal prep/cooking/clean up, cleaning up the home, wash/dry/set my hair, PT, walking the dog.
'Crash' episodes: what time of day, how long, what it felt like

Next to each activity I mark whether it is Cognitive or Physical, and time spent doing that activity.
On the facing page of the notebook, identify specific symptoms you had during the activity: breathing was harder, coughing, had to stop the activity, fast heart rate, dizzy, off balance, exhaustion, muscle pain, headache, nausea, difficulty concentrating, memory, vision changes, depression or anxiety.
I could then see where my energy was being used. I am now at a limit of 2 hours of physical work and 2-3 hours of cognitive in a day. I know I will crash when I go beyond this.
I do simple meal prep/cooking in one day along with laundry but no thinking work so Im not cooking every day. I count that as a workout. I shower, do my hair, pick out clothing & accessories the day before an outing and do nothing the day of so I have energy to enjoy. My house is not immaculate, just picked up. I get groceries delivered. Only 2 appointments in a day. I use a timer on my phone to help pacing my activity.
My long-haul symptoms have not improved-my time management and pacing has, and that has made all the difference in the world. Of course I still have crashes, but the more I stay in my own limits, the less frequent and less severe they are. PM if you want to talk further,

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Thank you for writing this! I had a concussion in a car crash and then got Covid in the same week, in the first days of February. I'm feeling a tiny bit better but still pretty much like I did when I came home from the hospital. I'm working now on coming to terms with the ongoing effect on my life, friendships, finances, independence, etc.

I don't need PT but do have about 12 other symptoms, and brain fog is the worst. But physical effort seems to affect cognitive function, and vice versa. I've been jotting down a sentence or two about my worst symptoms every day, and then using a number from 1-10 to indicate how my functioning that day compares to before it all happened. Your system of tracking symptoms is a much better organized way of grouping them and also identifying triggers and what does and doesn't help. I can see how it will be much more useful and effective. Thanks again!

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@rinadbq

I have been experiencing this for >2 years and have found that pacing myself is the only way to prevent/lessen the degree of crashes. PT,OT,SLP was the biggest help in identifying why I can feel so great, charge forward in my life, then am in excruciating pain with overwhelming & incapacitating exhaustion for 2 days after.

I started with a simple spiral/composition notebook & wrote down everything I did in a day on one page:

Sleep: could I fall asleep, stay asleep, up frequently? Do I feel rested on waking? Did I get hit with exhaustion at 10am and have to go back to bed. Do I need to nap during the day? When did I start feeling tired during the day. What time I went to bed.
Cognitive/Brain work/Thinking: making plans for the week, managing personal finances, work emails, grocery list, planning-social events, travel, train schedules, driving directions, legal work, packing & travel, appointments, reading, puzzles
Physical work: grocery shop, errands, gardening, gym, walking, laundry, meal prep/cooking/clean up, cleaning up the home, wash/dry/set my hair, PT, walking the dog.
'Crash' episodes: what time of day, how long, what it felt like

Next to each activity I mark whether it is Cognitive or Physical, and time spent doing that activity.
On the facing page of the notebook, identify specific symptoms you had during the activity: breathing was harder, coughing, had to stop the activity, fast heart rate, dizzy, off balance, exhaustion, muscle pain, headache, nausea, difficulty concentrating, memory, vision changes, depression or anxiety.
I could then see where my energy was being used. I am now at a limit of 2 hours of physical work and 2-3 hours of cognitive in a day. I know I will crash when I go beyond this.
I do simple meal prep/cooking in one day along with laundry but no thinking work so Im not cooking every day. I count that as a workout. I shower, do my hair, pick out clothing & accessories the day before an outing and do nothing the day of so I have energy to enjoy. My house is not immaculate, just picked up. I get groceries delivered. Only 2 appointments in a day. I use a timer on my phone to help pacing my activity.
My long-haul symptoms have not improved-my time management and pacing has, and that has made all the difference in the world. Of course I still have crashes, but the more I stay in my own limits, the less frequent and less severe they are. PM if you want to talk further,

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I totally relate, almost exactly, since Oct 2021. It's so frustrating. Spring cleaning is in the air and I can only do about 15 minutes at a time, rest for 30-40, and resume again. Only about an hour of actual work takes like 3 hours otherwise down for the next day. I too am working on limiting and moderation, but it is difficult for me.

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Had Covid Dec 2020. Felt sluggish and tipsy . therapy for dizzy/tipsy feeling. Coped with it for two years. Also developed myelodisplasia with sider blasts. coping some more. Then March 28 2023 got covid again. After d5 days in hospital am now at home but the symptoms are worse than before. Tipsy/dizziness and weakness.
Turning head fast seems like brain doesnt catch -up.

Anyone else with double Covid and symptoms??

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@sherryoct11

I totally relate, almost exactly, since Oct 2021. It's so frustrating. Spring cleaning is in the air and I can only do about 15 minutes at a time, rest for 30-40, and resume again. Only about an hour of actual work takes like 3 hours otherwise down for the next day. I too am working on limiting and moderation, but it is difficult for me.

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It is a HUGE adjustment! Going from ER Nurse in a trauma center working 12 hours shifts to setting an alarm so I know when to stop what I am doing at home. Just mentally wrapping my head around leaving work one day and not able to work the next. I tried going back to simple work in a vaccine clinic for 4 hours and was overwhelmed. At 63 this just may be retirement for me. I can't think of a sedentary 4 hour job.
Knowing where my limits are and what to expect is of great comfort-especially as this syndrome becomes more studied and accepted by the medical community. The first year was ridiculous!

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@annecmvneg

Thank you for writing this! I had a concussion in a car crash and then got Covid in the same week, in the first days of February. I'm feeling a tiny bit better but still pretty much like I did when I came home from the hospital. I'm working now on coming to terms with the ongoing effect on my life, friendships, finances, independence, etc.

I don't need PT but do have about 12 other symptoms, and brain fog is the worst. But physical effort seems to affect cognitive function, and vice versa. I've been jotting down a sentence or two about my worst symptoms every day, and then using a number from 1-10 to indicate how my functioning that day compares to before it all happened. Your system of tracking symptoms is a much better organized way of grouping them and also identifying triggers and what does and doesn't help. I can see how it will be much more useful and effective. Thanks again!

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I like the numbering for intensity of the symptom! Similarly, I have heard others use green-yellow-red (a stoplight).

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@rinadbq

It is a HUGE adjustment! Going from ER Nurse in a trauma center working 12 hours shifts to setting an alarm so I know when to stop what I am doing at home. Just mentally wrapping my head around leaving work one day and not able to work the next. I tried going back to simple work in a vaccine clinic for 4 hours and was overwhelmed. At 63 this just may be retirement for me. I can't think of a sedentary 4 hour job.
Knowing where my limits are and what to expect is of great comfort-especially as this syndrome becomes more studied and accepted by the medical community. The first year was ridiculous!

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Hi @rinadbq. I may have shared before but thank you for sharing from a medical professional standpoint your journey. I had really tough symptom day yesterday and literally crying this am while I should be grateful slept thru night and woke feeling decent. Tears from this unpredictable excruciating journey of no rhyme/reason, havnt worked in over year with no income, previously very active and helped other family members and now I have to pace taking shower or phone call for whole days activity. Your sharing is giving me drive to keep pushing forward. Thank you for all you did do and helping all of us now💖

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