Teeth, own or false, dentist costs, extractions etc.

Posted by Valerie @lacy2, Mar 20, 2021

Just wondered if enough folk interested. As a 77 year old had molar extracted last December and one 2 days ago. As I have no family doctor (shortage) and a list of physical illnesses and mental past and present and some medication reactions, I have been checking Internet. I used to check Web.md and almost relied on it but twice found incorrect advice....well one was definitely incorrect the other says gum should be healing in 2 weeks and I was quite worried as mine took so long last time, but other sites and dental pages say 6 weeks to fully heal etc. etc. Ask the dentist? Well with Covid and plastic covering each room and busy busy, its 'IN AND OUT' as quickly as possible. So glad I discovered mayor connect a months or so ago.... so helpful especially hearing from those who understand our illnesses or have them or have conquered them; I still feel people think "I am putting it on." J. Ontario

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My husband and I are shocked at the cost of crowns. We both have cracked teeth and the crowns are not covered by insurance.

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@sunny1971

Hello ! i have suffered with canker sores my whole life? according to my family, they were handed down from my mom! virus , my sister does not get them nore my twin brother, we are not identical. I have tried 500 remedies and barley get relief, cold sores and canker are two different entities,(do Read), if anyone has suggestions, help, the pain is horrible until they start going away. Gum x, campo phenique, are the help solutions, also tea tree oil, has helped with pain !!!

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Hi Sunny, I’m in full agreement with you, Canker sores are awful! It’s still a medical mystery as to their cause. And you’re right, they can tend to run in families. Unlike cold sores, which are associated with the herpes virus, Canker sores (or Aphthousand Ulcers) don’t have a connection to that virus. However, having had a virus such as the flu can bring on a flair.

Unfortunately, some people are more prone to canker sores and little things can trigger an outbreak like whitening toothpastes, or any toothpaste and mouth rinses containing sodium lauryl sulfate or alcohol. They can be very irritating. I’ve had to switch to Burt’s Bees Children’s toothpaste and can’t tolerate anything with mint!

Do you know if you have any food sensitivities? Certain foods like chocolate, coffee, strawberries, eggs, nuts, cheese, and spicy or acidic foods can cause a breakout. Being low on vitamin B-12, zinc, folate (folic acid) or iron can be a factor too.
Your body could also have an immune response to certain bacteria in your mouth such as Helicobacter pylori, the same bacteria that cause peptic ulcers. Or hormonal shifts during menstruation and emotional stress are other triggers. Those are just a few…so you can see how difficult it can be to nail down a specific cause.
I know you’ve tried a zillion remedies to no avail. One more to toss in…have you tried Pulling (swishing in the mouth) with extra virgin, cold pressed coconut oil for 20 minutes? (Then spit it out in a tissue and toss in the waste basket. The oil will clog a sink). That’s really calmed my mouth irritations. It might be worth a try.

One other thing that might be of value in finding the trigger is to keep a little journal and note the times when you develop a new sore and anything you may have eaten or experienced before it happened to see if it’s food related, stress, hormones…
Have you ever spoken with your primary care provider about the repeated sores? Have you had any blood work done to check for vitamin deficiencies, hormone imbalances, H pylori bacteria, etc?

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@loribmt

Hi Sunny, I’m in full agreement with you, Canker sores are awful! It’s still a medical mystery as to their cause. And you’re right, they can tend to run in families. Unlike cold sores, which are associated with the herpes virus, Canker sores (or Aphthousand Ulcers) don’t have a connection to that virus. However, having had a virus such as the flu can bring on a flair.

Unfortunately, some people are more prone to canker sores and little things can trigger an outbreak like whitening toothpastes, or any toothpaste and mouth rinses containing sodium lauryl sulfate or alcohol. They can be very irritating. I’ve had to switch to Burt’s Bees Children’s toothpaste and can’t tolerate anything with mint!

Do you know if you have any food sensitivities? Certain foods like chocolate, coffee, strawberries, eggs, nuts, cheese, and spicy or acidic foods can cause a breakout. Being low on vitamin B-12, zinc, folate (folic acid) or iron can be a factor too.
Your body could also have an immune response to certain bacteria in your mouth such as Helicobacter pylori, the same bacteria that cause peptic ulcers. Or hormonal shifts during menstruation and emotional stress are other triggers. Those are just a few…so you can see how difficult it can be to nail down a specific cause.
I know you’ve tried a zillion remedies to no avail. One more to toss in…have you tried Pulling (swishing in the mouth) with extra virgin, cold pressed coconut oil for 20 minutes? (Then spit it out in a tissue and toss in the waste basket. The oil will clog a sink). That’s really calmed my mouth irritations. It might be worth a try.

One other thing that might be of value in finding the trigger is to keep a little journal and note the times when you develop a new sore and anything you may have eaten or experienced before it happened to see if it’s food related, stress, hormones…
Have you ever spoken with your primary care provider about the repeated sores? Have you had any blood work done to check for vitamin deficiencies, hormone imbalances, H pylori bacteria, etc?

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Thank you for reply< yes i have spoke to pcp, he really didnt give me anything i wanted to hear, that i have not known already, I just keep doing my research, and hopes to find better remedies. As for the oil and coconut, i have not tried that one yet, i'll give it a whirl ! you seem to have done your homework, much appreciated ! yes had blood work, the next thing on my list is to do allergy testings, i could have food allergies, which can contribute !!! Thank you Lori for insights !!,
sunny

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@sunny1971

Thank you for reply< yes i have spoke to pcp, he really didnt give me anything i wanted to hear, that i have not known already, I just keep doing my research, and hopes to find better remedies. As for the oil and coconut, i have not tried that one yet, i'll give it a whirl ! you seem to have done your homework, much appreciated ! yes had blood work, the next thing on my list is to do allergy testings, i could have food allergies, which can contribute !!! Thank you Lori for insights !!,
sunny

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Hi Sunny, I’ve had my share of mouth issues…and experiences from both sides of the dental chair. I was a certified dental assistant for 30+ year and as a cancer/bone marrow transplant patient, I have fun little things happen from time to time…insert eye roll! 🙄
For those moments, which are frequent, I have oral Dexamethasone rinse (prescription steroid) that I swish for 30 seconds and spit out. Along with that there is another prescription: Tacrolimus ointment that I apply to my tongue when needed. You may want to visit with a dermatologist instead of your PCP…just a thought.

Food allergies can really trigger quite a few autoimmune responses in our body. Do you have any other allergies or conditions of inflammation? Sometimes those parallel outbreaks.

As for the Pulling…that is a very old technique. Posted a couple links for you. I use a very high grade coconut oil but other people use Sesame oil or Olive oil. Coconut tastes good and feels soothing to me. Just don’t swallow it when you’re ‘pulling’. However, one drawback with Coconut oil is that it has natural salicylates which can also be an irritant if susceptible. I did smaller periods of 5 minutes instead of the full 20 minutes the first few days just to make sure I didn’t have a reaction. If nothing else it is a good anti-inflammatory/antibacterial product for the mouth.
https://www.healthline.com/health/coconut-oil-pulling-dangers
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323757
If you try pulling, let me know what you think! 😄

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thank you for replying there may be light, I will try the rinse from my dermatologist ! sounds like its worth it !!!

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I was diagnosed with primary liver cancer in 2002. My teeth were in need of repair, but salvageable. The team of doctors decided the best solution was to extract all teeth and go dentures because the chemo was not user-friendly and I needed every fighting chance. Ten years later the doctor said that I should have kept my teeth and I would have been able to eat healthier. So medical care decisions change through the years.

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@loribmt

@lacy2 I’m so happy you found Mayo Connect as well and enjoying the benefits of this caring community. We’re all here to help each other.
The title of your posting caught my attention today. I’m now retired, but I was a certified dental assistant for over 32 years. I’m sorry you weren’t given much information or any advice after your extraction.
Let me assure you, we all heal at different rates. The first few days following an extraction, you have to be cautious to keep the area clean but do NOT rinse vigorously with water. It’s important that the blood clot in the bottom of the socket isn’t dislodged. You may see a little blood tinged saliva for a day or so. That’s normal! But it shouldn’t be openly bleeding.

It’s ok if some food particles get caught. The socket will heal from the bottom up so the food isn’t permanently caught. After a week or so, it’s ok to rinse a little more vigorously.
In the meantime, a suggestion is to take 1/2 teaspoon of salt in 1 cup of warm water. Take a sip, then gently tip your head from side to side, letting the water swish back and forth over the area and in your mouth. Then spit it out. Just no vigorous cleansing!
It can take months for the bone to fill in as the extraction site heals. So even though the socket area has filled in with skin/tissue, you could still feel an indentation until the bone fills that gap. It may never feel 100% even but eventually will feel smooth to the tongue.

I hope this helps allay your fears. Why were the teeth extracted? Anything else I can help you with?
Wishing you a lovely day, Lori.

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I just turned 90 and the only wisdom gained was about Dental
Insurance. Not good advice for everyone, but maybe for someone.
Years ago, I was checking my premium for dental insurance.
"Sounds a little high", I thought. The kicker is here: the maximum
benefit that is paid for dental work over a period of one year. In
my case (30 years ago, the amount was $1,000.) Comparing
benefit to price of premium, the insurance was too costly, so
I canceled the insurance. Over the next 30 years, I saved many
thousands of dollars by self insuring my dental costs/

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@loribmt

Hi Sunny, I’m in full agreement with you, Canker sores are awful! It’s still a medical mystery as to their cause. And you’re right, they can tend to run in families. Unlike cold sores, which are associated with the herpes virus, Canker sores (or Aphthousand Ulcers) don’t have a connection to that virus. However, having had a virus such as the flu can bring on a flair.

Unfortunately, some people are more prone to canker sores and little things can trigger an outbreak like whitening toothpastes, or any toothpaste and mouth rinses containing sodium lauryl sulfate or alcohol. They can be very irritating. I’ve had to switch to Burt’s Bees Children’s toothpaste and can’t tolerate anything with mint!

Do you know if you have any food sensitivities? Certain foods like chocolate, coffee, strawberries, eggs, nuts, cheese, and spicy or acidic foods can cause a breakout. Being low on vitamin B-12, zinc, folate (folic acid) or iron can be a factor too.
Your body could also have an immune response to certain bacteria in your mouth such as Helicobacter pylori, the same bacteria that cause peptic ulcers. Or hormonal shifts during menstruation and emotional stress are other triggers. Those are just a few…so you can see how difficult it can be to nail down a specific cause.
I know you’ve tried a zillion remedies to no avail. One more to toss in…have you tried Pulling (swishing in the mouth) with extra virgin, cold pressed coconut oil for 20 minutes? (Then spit it out in a tissue and toss in the waste basket. The oil will clog a sink). That’s really calmed my mouth irritations. It might be worth a try.

One other thing that might be of value in finding the trigger is to keep a little journal and note the times when you develop a new sore and anything you may have eaten or experienced before it happened to see if it’s food related, stress, hormones…
Have you ever spoken with your primary care provider about the repeated sores? Have you had any blood work done to check for vitamin deficiencies, hormone imbalances, H pylori bacteria, etc?

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I've been doing oil pulling and it seems to be helping my teeth that are sensitive. I started doing it to help with GERD and it does appear to help.

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I am 67 and have dentures on top. I have severe bone loss and tried to get implants for 2 years but all but two failed. I went through several abscesses and an infection in my jaw and another to my eye all from implants. I don’t want to scare anyone from getting implants. I have several friends that have had great success with them. But they did not work for me so I had no choice but to wear dentures.
I’m interested in others experience with them. I am having a difficult time adjusting to them. How long do you have to wear them before getting used to them? Also, about eating. I find it nearly impossible to eat with them. Any tips? I’ve had them adjusted several times. I have two implants that snap them in place so I don’t have to use denture creams.
Any help from others would be greatly appreciated. I’ve only heard horror stories but feel there must be people that adjusted to them. My grandmother wore them for years and I never heard her complain.
Thanks in advance!

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@poppy67

I am 67 and have dentures on top. I have severe bone loss and tried to get implants for 2 years but all but two failed. I went through several abscesses and an infection in my jaw and another to my eye all from implants. I don’t want to scare anyone from getting implants. I have several friends that have had great success with them. But they did not work for me so I had no choice but to wear dentures.
I’m interested in others experience with them. I am having a difficult time adjusting to them. How long do you have to wear them before getting used to them? Also, about eating. I find it nearly impossible to eat with them. Any tips? I’ve had them adjusted several times. I have two implants that snap them in place so I don’t have to use denture creams.
Any help from others would be greatly appreciated. I’ve only heard horror stories but feel there must be people that adjusted to them. My grandmother wore them for years and I never heard her complain.
Thanks in advance!

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Good morning, @poppy67 I’m so sorry to hear about your dental issues with tooth implants. They aren’t for everyone and it’s unfortunate they weren’t successful for you.

But your upper denture is another story. With implanted supports to secure it in place you’re not having to rely on suction or adhesives. No pun intended, but this should be a snap to get used to if they fit properly. The advantage of having snap in dentures is to give more of a sense of permanent teeth for comfort and for chewing. So it’s really sad to hear. after all you’ve been through, that your denture isn’t comfortable.

Could you tell me a little more about what isn’t ‘quite feeling right’? When you close your teeth together slowly, are you feeling any one particular area more than another? Do they fill like too much in your mouth? How long have you had them?

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