(MAC/MAI) Mycobacterium Avium Complex Pulmonary Disease: Join us

Posted by Katherine, Alumni Mentor @katemn, Nov 21, 2011

I am new to Mayo online .. I was hoping to find others with .. MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) and/or BRONCHIECTASIS. I found only 1 thread on mycobacterium accidently under the catagory "Lungs". I'm hoping by starting a subject matter directly related to MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) I may find others out there!

I was diagnosed by a sputum culture August 2007 (but the culture result was accidentally misfiled until 2008!) with MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) and BRONCHIECTASIS. I am now on 5 antibiotics. Working with Dr. Timothy Aksamit at Rochester Mayo Clinic .. he is a saint to have put up with me this long! I was terrified of the treatment . started the first antibiotic September 3, 2011 ... am now on all 5 antibiotics for 18 mos to 2 years. Am delighted at the very bearable side effects!

I wrote on the 1 thread I found: If you google NON-TUBERCULOUS MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) you will learn a LOT about the disease. But PLEASE do NOT get scared about all the things you read .. that is what I did and nearly refused to do the treatment until after a 2nd Micomacterium was discovered! Educate yourself for "due diligence" .. but take it all with a grain of salt .. you are NOT necessarily going to have all the terrible side effects of the antibiotics! Good luck to you!

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January 2017 Update

One of our great Connect Members .. @Paula_MAC2007  .. had a wonderfully helpful idea that I wanted to share! Her idea .. as you read through the pages to gather information on our shared disease of MAC you can develop a personal "file cabinet" for future reference without the necessity of reading all the pages again!

If you have the "MS Word" program on your computer:
- Document Title Example:  Mayo Clinic Connect MAI/MAC Information
- Then develop different categories that make sense to you such as:  Heath Aids .. Videos .. Healthy Living .. Positive Thinking .. Baseline Testing and Regular Testing .. Antibiotics ..
Tips for
- As you read the pages .. copy/paste/save things of interest into that MS Word document under your preferred categories for future reference.

Then as you want to refer back to something in the future .. YEAH!  You have now created your own personal "file cabinet" on MAC/MAI!  Go to it!

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the MAC & Bronchiectasis Support Group.

Dear toons, bring your own bottle of water with you to restaurants.
Here are my options:
1. I boil a pot of tap water at home for 10+ minutes, pour some in glass bottles and save the rest for washing vegetables and fruits to be eaten without cooking.
2. I use LifeStraw pitcher that filters tap water. I use it for drinking and herbal tea. I bought the 10 cup pitcher so I refill it every other day.
3. Bottled spring water, is supposed to have very little mycobacteria, if any. I bring one with me in the car and into a restaurant. There is no issue with bringing it to any restaurant.
In my bathroom, I have AquaMed filters for the shower and sink.
I hope you find a way that works for you.
Best of luck.

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@kathyhg

I have been using the nebulizer and aerobika for over 3 years and remained stable. Prior to that, I was on the big 3 (3 antibiotics, 3 days a week) for about 6 months but had to stop because I woke up one day with terrible tinnitus and hearing loss. I realized that my respirologist didn’t know very much about NTM so I found an NTM specialist (who took me off the medication and started me on airway clearance). My bacterial count in the AFB test was 4+ after 6 months on the medication but it has fluctuated around 0 or 1+ since getting established on the airway clearance.

Like you, I had barely any sputum all the time I was on the medication. I do now that I do airway clearance twice a day with 7% saline and use the aerobika. I also get my husband to pat my back and sides where the respiratory therapist working with the NTM specialist directed us (further loosens the goop in my lungs). I also do sort of lung (autogenic) squeeze that I learned from a facebook group I follow on lung matters.

This is a great forum to follow as there is so much knowledge and experience shared by people who have been dealing with bronchiectasis and NTM (I have MAC). Hope you are able to benefit from this knowledge to manage your health care!

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May I know the method of lung (autogenic) squeeze. It is good that your bacteria count is 0 and remain stable for 3 years.

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@egayle187

@lauraadam2425...It's frustrating to work so hard and get no results. I use the nebulizer 2x a day with asthma medications and albuterol, 3 nebs in all. Then I use the flutter valve while doing postural drainage. (see youtube) Mucinex and extra water help get the mucus loosened up and the drainage with flutter valve helps it get out. My pulmonologist noticed the bronchial tubes close up when I cough. It took 14 months of the Big 3 to kill the MAC. Don't give up. Think of it as Non-tubercular Mycobacterium. Thank goodness we don't have to stay in sanitoriums!
hang in there. Some of the other members use 7% saline. What do you use?

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Hi, went to my infectious disease Dr and he said 2 cultures ago only 1 out of 3 grew anything and it wasn't the one they were treating me for. However the latest 3 aren't growing anything. If the next 3 are negative I will start my last year on the big 3 antibiotics as long as they stay negative. Have been diagnosed since Feb 2022, on big 3 since 8/22. Keeping my fingers crossed. Have side effects but worth it if cultures finally come back negative. He said I can stop the nebulizer since it wasn't working but if cough gets worse have to start using it again.

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@jerrybordersg

Recently diagnosed with MAC, seeking info on best medicine to take

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Hi, I am Jane and was diagnosed with mac a year sgo and put on the big 3 - Ethambutol, Azithromycin and Rifampin. There have been some side effects but tolerable considering my cultures are starting to come back negative. I am hopeful but still hesitant as I know it could turn around. Just stay with whatever program they put you on and give it a try. I was very hesitant because of all the horror stories but you have to give it a try it will be worth it. Good luck.

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@sue102

Dear toons, bring your own bottle of water with you to restaurants.
Here are my options:
1. I boil a pot of tap water at home for 10+ minutes, pour some in glass bottles and save the rest for washing vegetables and fruits to be eaten without cooking.
2. I use LifeStraw pitcher that filters tap water. I use it for drinking and herbal tea. I bought the 10 cup pitcher so I refill it every other day.
3. Bottled spring water, is supposed to have very little mycobacteria, if any. I bring one with me in the car and into a restaurant. There is no issue with bringing it to any restaurant.
In my bathroom, I have AquaMed filters for the shower and sink.
I hope you find a way that works for you.
Best of luck.

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I also use the LifeStraw Pitcher but you don't boil your water before putting it in pitcher do you? From my understanding I can use tap water and the LifeStraw will filter it. I had once read where Fiju and Smart Water were safe to drink but then recently someone posted they were not. The spring water sounds like a good alternative. Let me know if you have any more tips because it is so helpful since I just started the Big 3.

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@sweethighland

May I know the method of lung (autogenic) squeeze. It is good that your bacteria count is 0 and remain stable for 3 years.

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I joined a Facebook group called Lung Matters: Covid, Bronchiectasis, MAC, NTM, Nocardia, Pseudomonas & more. There is a lot of good information shared there. There is also a great resource that I believe was produced by the woman who started that facebook group. It covers a range of topics including airway clearance techniques and I believe a lung squeeze (not sure it is called that) is included there.
https://selfmattersinstitute.wordpress.com/a-handbook-for-lung-matters/

I have to confess that, after nearly 5 years of feeling unwell (I had recurrent chest infections, nausea, weakness, sweats, etc for a year before I was diagnosed), I get kind of weary with always trying to eat right, exercise, do airway clearance twice a day, sterilize everything, be cautious around water and soil, etc, etc. Covid has made this much worse. However, the 6 months on the Big 3 and the resultant hearing loss and constant tinnitus are a good and constant reminder why I’m doing this.

Hope this helps.

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@sueinmn

Hello, and welcome to Mayo Connect. I think we need a little more info about your health and diagnosis, then we can talk about the doctor(s) who are treating you, their recommendations and questions to ask them.
Why? Because MAC (Mycobacteria Aviums Complex) infection can vary in exact strain, the level of illness you are experiencing, all of your health conditions and whether you need antibiotics now, alternative treatments or both.
How and when were you diagnosed? Are you seeing a pulmonoogist or ID doc?
Sue

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Hi. I was seeing a pulmonologist who referred me to an Infectuous Disease doctor. The ID doc has asked if I was keeping up with my pulmonologist. I would prefer not to see both. Do many people see both? Both doctors are part of a big system and was wondering if that might be the issue. Maybe the system wants their doctors to encourage many referrals in-house??? It will be my 5th month on MAC antibiotics for strains Intracellularae and Porcinum. Also, has anyone used their good pulse- ox levels to reduce treatments. It would seem that the o2 levels might be a good indicator of need for more or less bronchodilator medications. Albuterol has caused large tremors with me when using regularly. Thanks for any advice and so glad to participate in this forum.

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@cmb1

Hi. I was seeing a pulmonologist who referred me to an Infectuous Disease doctor. The ID doc has asked if I was keeping up with my pulmonologist. I would prefer not to see both. Do many people see both? Both doctors are part of a big system and was wondering if that might be the issue. Maybe the system wants their doctors to encourage many referrals in-house??? It will be my 5th month on MAC antibiotics for strains Intracellularae and Porcinum. Also, has anyone used their good pulse- ox levels to reduce treatments. It would seem that the o2 levels might be a good indicator of need for more or less bronchodilator medications. Albuterol has caused large tremors with me when using regularly. Thanks for any advice and so glad to participate in this forum.

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I think each of us has had a different experience with MAC & bronchiectasis.

In my case, I saw both an ID doc, who managed my meds, and a pulmonologist, who manages my lung health. It was extremely helpful because they functioned as a team, and kept my primary in the loop as well.
Now that I have been off the antibiotics for 3 years, I continue to see the pulmonologist (first every 3 months, then 6 months, now annually unless I get worse.

As for bronchodilators. my pulmonologist has transitioned my from (inhaled and/or nebulized) levalbuterol plus budosenide as needed to a (generic) Symbicort inhaler, which has calmed my tremors a great deal. It has been the BEST management tool for my combination asthma and bronchiectasis. I made it through allergy seasons and a respiratory virus without a major exacerbation for the first time in probably 10 years. I also neb 7% saline and do airway clearance (Aerobika) to keep the NTM at bay.

As for the O2 sat question - hmm... I personally have wonky O2 sats - probably due to a lifetime of lung issues so have never considered this. I think the better question, if you are dealing mycobacteria, is "Are you keeping your lungs clear of mucus by doing regular airway clearance?" If you are able to do so without albuterol, maybe ask the doc about 1)stopping, 2)stepping down to a puff on an inhaler, or 3)substituting a less tremor causing med like levalbuterol or Symbicort.

Are you doing airway clearance regularly? Do you use saline nebs or a device to help move the mucus out?

Sue

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@tconz

That is so great that you are MAC free after 14 months! I have been on the Big 3 for 1 month and tolerating it well (I know it is still early) but did you experience any negative effects? Also, do you have any tips for minimizing my exposure to NTM? I of course am doing all the usual precautions and I just sent in a sample to test my tap water. It is hard to find something to drink when I go to a restaurant because I can't drink their water or have their ice cubes. Any suggestions since you are so far ahead of me in this fight.

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I take my water bottle in and ask the wait staff if I can just drink my water. Only one restaurant has said no. They will bring me an unopened bottle of water for $1.00. That works for me.

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@tconz

That is so great that you are MAC free after 14 months! I have been on the Big 3 for 1 month and tolerating it well (I know it is still early) but did you experience any negative effects? Also, do you have any tips for minimizing my exposure to NTM? I of course am doing all the usual precautions and I just sent in a sample to test my tap water. It is hard to find something to drink when I go to a restaurant because I can't drink their water or have their ice cubes. Any suggestions since you are so far ahead of me in this fight.

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I always take a Smart water with me.

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