Do I really have PMR?

Posted by englerbarb @englerbarb, Aug 31, 2021

Hi. First of all, I’m so glad I’ve found this group! I was diagnosed with PMR 4 days ago and started taking 20mg Prednisone 3 days ago. I already feel so much better and am hoping for no, or few side effects. I’m wondering if any of you who have PMR had normal inflammatory markers at the time of your diagnosis. I found out today from my doctor that mine are normal, so she thinks it might be something other than PMR. Do any of you have experience with this too? I’ll be going back to the lab to get more testing done in another week and a half. If I don’t have PMR, why would the prednisone work for my pain and what else could it be other than PMR?

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@cookiegirl1944

According to the Mayo Clinic you can have normal markers and still have the disease. This is supported in every scientific journal across the world. Your doctor should know this.

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"According to the Mayo Clinic you can have normal markers and still have the disease. This is supported in every scientific journal across the world. Your doctor should know this." As a PMR sufferer, I totally agree with this. And the reverse I've found to be also true. You can have high pain markers but not be feeling much PMR pain at the time the blood sample was taken.

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@tsc

Hi, I had horrible pain and stiffness in my whole body from the neck down for four months, with slightly elevated inflammatory markers that my Primary Care Physician did not follow up on. That horrible pain receded after 9 months, but I developed other troubling symptoms. Long story short, one year after the onset of the first symptoms, I was diagnosed with Giant Cell Arteritis, the companion disorder of PMR. My sed rate was 120. If there is a dramatic clinical response to symptoms of PMR, within 1-3 days after steroid institution, even without the inflammatory markers, it supports the diagnosis. (Cecil and Goldman's Textbook of Medicine). The symptoms are indicators of these disorders, sometimes more than the lab test results. Prednisone took away 98% of my pain, but I have osteoarthritis in the right shoulder, which is still painful and for which I am getting physical therapy.

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This tells the true story of PMR and blood test results. I've found this to be the case in my own PMR experience, Doctors should be made to listen or find another doctor that will listen. Its crazy logic to deny a patient PMR pain relief just because the doctor is more concerned about the side effects of long term Pred use. Leaving a patient in pain is surely going to make that patient take more drastic measures to get out of that pain. Doctors are sometimes our worst enemies. My GP is a real diamond. By working together, I'm down at 1.5 mgs from 50mgs 14 months ago. Rheumatologists are the worst offenders.

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@keelin

PMR has no exact tests to diagnose it. Doctors go by symptoms and usually inflammatory markers are raised. But even that doesn’t prove you have PMR.
Read up on the prednisone. It doesn’t do much of anything for my pain, but it sure causes side effects! Doctors just love putting patients on prednisone and walking away. Seems easy. Meanwhile, what happening to your body? Only you can care.
Be careful.
And remember- Doctors “practice,” they don’t KNOW much, especially about PMR!

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IMO, best thing to do is take the Pred, get rid of the pain and then slowly get off the Pred whilst checking regularly for the usual side effects. If you're pain free and off the Pred does it really matter what the problem was? if doctors can't really identify PMR and its cause then they should stop experimenting with us when we're in pain. Pred fixes PMR, get on with it.

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Go to healthunlocked.com. They offer wonderful tapering schedules.

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It's absolutely important to pay attention to your own body. We all react differently, and the "guidelines" used by rheumatologists are just that, guidelines. In my case I have found that tapering by 1 mg was too much for me always causing a flare. I now taper by .5 mg and it is working for me. My rheumatologist has accepted my plan.

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@brunswickv8

This tells the true story of PMR and blood test results. I've found this to be the case in my own PMR experience, Doctors should be made to listen or find another doctor that will listen. Its crazy logic to deny a patient PMR pain relief just because the doctor is more concerned about the side effects of long term Pred use. Leaving a patient in pain is surely going to make that patient take more drastic measures to get out of that pain. Doctors are sometimes our worst enemies. My GP is a real diamond. By working together, I'm down at 1.5 mgs from 50mgs 14 months ago. Rheumatologists are the worst offenders.

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Hi @brunswickv8, I was fortunate to have a good rheumatologist and am happy to report that I've been off prednisone for a few months now. I still have aches and pains, especially my shoulder, from a rotator cuff injury, but nothing that compares to PMR and GCA. I'm glad you have a good physician who is treating your PMR appropriately.

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My inflammation markers were high, but dropped immediately. However, the PMR continues… so I’m uncertain about exactly how those are used for diagnosis, but don’t seem to indicate the disease itself?
I had to stop the prednisone completely- too many side effects.

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@sharonanng

It's absolutely important to pay attention to your own body. We all react differently, and the "guidelines" used by rheumatologists are just that, guidelines. In my case I have found that tapering by 1 mg was too much for me always causing a flare. I now taper by .5 mg and it is working for me. My rheumatologist has accepted my plan.

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Thank you for this post as my doctor is tapering me one mg a month
and I have a lot of pain. Your plan of lowering it by 0.5 mg is something I never thought about so now I am going to ask
my doctor to do the same for me. Great idea so glad it is working for you plus it gave me a new approach,

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@englerbarb

Thank you, John. I am definitely planning to talk to the doctor about the fact that studies have been done, and have found, that it is possible (although rare) to have normal inflammatory markers with PMR. I will also share how my appointment goes.
I do have another question though - in your experience with prednisone, did it completely take away pain from everywhere in your body? Is it supposed to do that? As I said above, I feel much better with less pain for sure, especially in my hips, thighs and lower back but my right shoulder still hurts. Do some areas of pain just take longer for the prednisone to work? Thank you

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Prednisone does NOT necessarily remove all pain for all people. Many people enjoy being on it because it does alleviate some or all pain. ( it does not help me with pain at all, but drops very negative side effects) I’m off of it now completely. The side effects are gone ( thank God), but the CRP and Sed rate are super high again, somewhat explaining the pain.? I’m not sure where/what to do now. But any joy there was in my life left in April, 2022, with the coming of PMR( thank you Pfizer and Moderna)

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@keelin

Prednisone does NOT necessarily remove all pain for all people. Many people enjoy being on it because it does alleviate some or all pain. ( it does not help me with pain at all, but drops very negative side effects) I’m off of it now completely. The side effects are gone ( thank God), but the CRP and Sed rate are super high again, somewhat explaining the pain.? I’m not sure where/what to do now. But any joy there was in my life left in April, 2022, with the coming of PMR( thank you Pfizer and Moderna)

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One of the theories about PMR is that it follows infections. I wonder if the number of PMR cases has increased dramatically due to the last couple of years of COVID. I also wonder if the Covid vaccinations and boosters are not the cause of PMR, but the general infection rate of the population is the culprit. I suppose it will be years before we have any answers.

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