What helps spinal stenosis besides surgery?

Posted by sakota9 (Joan) @sakota, Jul 17, 2020

I also suffer from bursitus in my hips so I go in for infections. The shots help both my hips and my back. Today, thought I would look for things on the internet and then discuss with my dr. I came across an article for a neuromd Its a device you wear on your back and helps with the pain. Its been FDA tested and approved. Has anyone checked this out. I don't know if insurance covers it or not ...... I am getting tired of the injections and those really are just a temporary solution. I'm 76 and don't think I want to go thru surgery and my dr said that doesn't really help. So if anyone has one of these things or know about them, would appreciate your input. Besides the back am also dealing with copd and lung cancer........Life is like a box of cherries......I just keep getting the sour ones......... Hope you all are doing ok......andhave God, family and friends as your everyday support...........

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@jenniferhunter

@kaptainkat Thank you for your comments. One question I asked my spine surgeon was what would happen if I don't have decompression surgery? That is important to know what might be lost. I saw my parents difficulty as they were disabled in wheel chairs, and if I had a choice, I didn't want that for myself. I wanted quality of life even though, a compromise is made when having surgery.

The recovery and results of a spine procedure depends on many things. First, not all surgeons are gifted, and it is worth shopping around until you find one who excels in their abilities of their job and who loves their job. That might be harder than it sounds, and it may be worth asking a trusted doctor for a recommendation. The surgeon who operated on me was at Mayo in Rochester.

Some people have multiple levels of spine injury or disease, some have congenital malformations, and some have minimal issues such as myself in having one damaged disc from an injury. Some people are in better shape and have better posture, all of which affects how well the spine is supported which can reduce wear and tear.

The health and fitness of the patient is also very important. Smokers do not heal as well from spine surgery in general, and many surgeons will make them quit smoking before doing a procedure. In general, they have lower levels of oxygen available to the body. Diet is important too because the body needs protein to heal bone that begins before minerals are deposited to harden it. Age is a factor, but aging is also influenced by habits good or bad. If you are eating a healthy balanced diet that reduces systemic inflammation, essentially you are "younger" than someone who eats all the wrong things. What most of us think of as "aging" are health changes because of inflammation.

I am an advocate for always asking questions to be well informed for an important decision such as surgery. Spine surgery has come a long way and is better today than it was 20 years ago. I was loosing the ability to control my arms, and I am an artist, so regaining what I was loosing was very important to me. I didn't find a surgeon willing to help me until I came to Mayo because my case was a bit unusual and confusing. Surgeons have to be very careful not to mistake pain for something else like MS, so it is easy for them to back out if they think a patient will have a poor outcome or they don't understand the source of the pain.

This is my story.
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/using-the-art-of-medicine-to-overcome-fear-of-surgery/

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That sounds a lot like what I have. Shots no longer work except for the occipital neuralgia, which is so painful. I’m 60, I smoke but have really cut back because of my new grandson. They said the stenosis and bulging disc is so bad it’s either stay in constant pain or surgery. The only thing is I can’t afford to be out of work for 3 months. What is your opinion? I have an appointment with a new surgeon soon. I’ve seen 5 so far. 2 said collar 3 said no so I really don’t know

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@jojo58

That sounds a lot like what I have. Shots no longer work except for the occipital neuralgia, which is so painful. I’m 60, I smoke but have really cut back because of my new grandson. They said the stenosis and bulging disc is so bad it’s either stay in constant pain or surgery. The only thing is I can’t afford to be out of work for 3 months. What is your opinion? I have an appointment with a new surgeon soon. I’ve seen 5 so far. 2 said collar 3 said no so I really don’t know

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@jojo58 You're going to need to make a choice about your quality of life. If you want a better shot at successful surgery, you might want to quit smoking. Every cigarette that you don't smoke, is a gift to your grandson. That is precious, so make the most of those years that you have with him.

Fusions can fail to fuse which leaves a patient in long term pain. I was in a neck brace for 3 months because I chose to do this surgery without hardware, and I was relying on my body to grow the bone together. Your surgeon may not offer that, and there's probably a lesser chance because of smoking. The plates used in fusions give the surgeon a sense of security that their effort will endure. You may get different solutions to the problem, and you need to show the surgeon that you will be a good patient. Some surgeons will not take you as a surgical patient if you smoke, so you know what I'm hinting at.

What kind of job do you do? Is it something physical or is it a desk job where you would not be lifting? You will have lifting restrictions after spine surgery. You surgeon can advise how long they think you should be out of work.

Right now, it is pain, but you may loose function if you don't decompress what is getting compromised with your spine. Make sure to ask that question, and ask about a timeline of how that will affect you as you age. If you have cervical stenosis in the central canal compressing the spinal cord, it can cause incontinence and that can become permanent if the nerves die within the spinal cord. Early intervention with a spine problem like that is your best chance to prevent future disability.

Could you share more details about what your doctors have told you? Don't worry about if your surgeon recommends a collar or not. It was a necessity for me. What have they offered you as a solution to the problem?

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I’ve pretty much already quit smoking. My plan is last day is this Sunday. Currently I smoke about 2 or 3 a day. I’ve spoken to 4 or 5 surgeons. I also have to be off any meds that could cause bleeding for 2 weeks. If he says a collar I’ll do it, but I’m extremely claustrophobic about it. I’m a self checkout cashier. I don’t have any lifting. I do turn my head or body depending on how much pain I’m in. But I only live less than a mile from the store. I didn’t even know there was anything wrong with my neck till a big pickup with a trailer full of lawn equipment wasn’t looking and just moved over on me and pushed me into the curb twice. So what was existing will be a problem for my lawyer. But I never had X-rays or MRI on my neck before because I wasn’t having any problems. All the surgeons were fine about 3 or 4 cigarettes a day but I have to be completely quit at least 2 weeks before surgery. I had an argument with my ex bf over smoking which he never did of anything. He said it wouldn’t be hard just don’t buy anymore. Ha! I thought my parents were going to divorce when my dad quit because he didn’t really want to. But there was a money incentive if he did and stayed quit for at least 6 months. It was a horrible 2 years. If you’ve never been addicted to anything you don’t have any idea how hard it is to quit smoking. They say that’s the hardest because it’s legal and readily available. But I’m confident I can do it. They will replace the bulging disc and clean up bone spurs and whatever and there is a new device that will allow me more mobility than a standard fusion

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I’m 70 and do not have as complex a picture as yours and mines in my lumbar spine. Big difference is I have pain and spasms and PN. At 78 if I lived a full life and I’m in no pain I’d not opt for surgery. My docs offered to remove my stainless steel implants and replace with titanium cages. No thank you as I’ve had enough severe pain in my last 40 years

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@jojo58

I’ve pretty much already quit smoking. My plan is last day is this Sunday. Currently I smoke about 2 or 3 a day. I’ve spoken to 4 or 5 surgeons. I also have to be off any meds that could cause bleeding for 2 weeks. If he says a collar I’ll do it, but I’m extremely claustrophobic about it. I’m a self checkout cashier. I don’t have any lifting. I do turn my head or body depending on how much pain I’m in. But I only live less than a mile from the store. I didn’t even know there was anything wrong with my neck till a big pickup with a trailer full of lawn equipment wasn’t looking and just moved over on me and pushed me into the curb twice. So what was existing will be a problem for my lawyer. But I never had X-rays or MRI on my neck before because I wasn’t having any problems. All the surgeons were fine about 3 or 4 cigarettes a day but I have to be completely quit at least 2 weeks before surgery. I had an argument with my ex bf over smoking which he never did of anything. He said it wouldn’t be hard just don’t buy anymore. Ha! I thought my parents were going to divorce when my dad quit because he didn’t really want to. But there was a money incentive if he did and stayed quit for at least 6 months. It was a horrible 2 years. If you’ve never been addicted to anything you don’t have any idea how hard it is to quit smoking. They say that’s the hardest because it’s legal and readily available. But I’m confident I can do it. They will replace the bulging disc and clean up bone spurs and whatever and there is a new device that will allow me more mobility than a standard fusion

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@jojo58 It sounds like you have a plan and a schedule to stop smoking. I have never smoked, but I was wondering if there was something positive that you could use to distract yourself when you get a craving? What would that be for you? I know it's easy for the mind to get hijacked by an emotion and it holds onto negative and stressful things so much easier because that is part of our survival instinct to pay attention to danger. You can mindfully replace that feeling with something that you are excited about. Perhaps it is inspirational music in combination with deep relaxed breathing, or a movie that fills you with such good feelings. I did some things like this when I was facing fear of surgery and it really works. It's a creative way to cope with something that creates anxiety.

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@jojo58

I’ve pretty much already quit smoking. My plan is last day is this Sunday. Currently I smoke about 2 or 3 a day. I’ve spoken to 4 or 5 surgeons. I also have to be off any meds that could cause bleeding for 2 weeks. If he says a collar I’ll do it, but I’m extremely claustrophobic about it. I’m a self checkout cashier. I don’t have any lifting. I do turn my head or body depending on how much pain I’m in. But I only live less than a mile from the store. I didn’t even know there was anything wrong with my neck till a big pickup with a trailer full of lawn equipment wasn’t looking and just moved over on me and pushed me into the curb twice. So what was existing will be a problem for my lawyer. But I never had X-rays or MRI on my neck before because I wasn’t having any problems. All the surgeons were fine about 3 or 4 cigarettes a day but I have to be completely quit at least 2 weeks before surgery. I had an argument with my ex bf over smoking which he never did of anything. He said it wouldn’t be hard just don’t buy anymore. Ha! I thought my parents were going to divorce when my dad quit because he didn’t really want to. But there was a money incentive if he did and stayed quit for at least 6 months. It was a horrible 2 years. If you’ve never been addicted to anything you don’t have any idea how hard it is to quit smoking. They say that’s the hardest because it’s legal and readily available. But I’m confident I can do it. They will replace the bulging disc and clean up bone spurs and whatever and there is a new device that will allow me more mobility than a standard fusion

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I am a former smoker. One of the best things I've done for myself and for my friends and family is to stop smoking.
You can do it. All the best!

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@jenniferhunter

@jojo58 It sounds like you have a plan and a schedule to stop smoking. I have never smoked, but I was wondering if there was something positive that you could use to distract yourself when you get a craving? What would that be for you? I know it's easy for the mind to get hijacked by an emotion and it holds onto negative and stressful things so much easier because that is part of our survival instinct to pay attention to danger. You can mindfully replace that feeling with something that you are excited about. Perhaps it is inspirational music in combination with deep relaxed breathing, or a movie that fills you with such good feelings. I did some things like this when I was facing fear of surgery and it really works. It's a creative way to cope with something that creates anxiety.

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I have 2 grandsons but the youngest is still a baby. He is my motivation. I live with them and it seems whatever is bothering me melts away when I see him, I don’t even think about a cigarette. I smoke outside and he gets upset when I leave him so I just don’t. I see him more than his parents do. So I just look at his sweet face.

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I had bursitis in the same leg that I was getting my hip replacement. Dr gave me shots for it. After hip surgery it went away. Is there a need for hip replacement? 2 easiest surgeries I ever went through

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@jenatsky

I’m 70 and do not have as complex a picture as yours and mines in my lumbar spine. Big difference is I have pain and spasms and PN. At 78 if I lived a full life and I’m in no pain I’d not opt for surgery. My docs offered to remove my stainless steel implants and replace with titanium cages. No thank you as I’ve had enough severe pain in my last 40 years

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I have pain 24/7. The worst is the neck spasms and the occipital neuralgia. I’ve already lost reflexes on my left side. If I don’t have surgery to repair the stenosis my future is a wheelchair, incontinence and continuing pain. I’m opting for surgery. At 60 I have a lot more living to do, I hope. Nobody’s promised tomorrow

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Where is your stenosis located? Mine is cervical at my brain stem. Surgery my only option if I don’t want to end up in a wheelchair.

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