"The HUM", a persistent Low Frequency Noise

Posted by Soliloquized @soliloquized, Dec 28, 2019

As I sit, writing, my left ear is filled with the Classic Hum. Both my ears used to hear it, but after an ear infection in the right ear, leaving no measurable loss of hearing as determined by yearly workplace hearing tests, I no longer hear it in the right.

Certainly, others must hear it.

My wife, largely complete loss of hearing in one ear, high frequency Tinnitus in the other, and myself, excellent hearing as tested by yearly workplace physicals, started hearing the HUM on the same day, in the same location, over a decade ago. We hear it exactly the same in a number of places separated by hundreds of miles. We have experimented by asking if the other could hear the HUM, whether in certain parts of the structure we were in (home we rented in the Country, home we owned in the City) if it was louder, quieter, or audible at all, and had an extremely high degree of concurrence.

It appears to be a real world event, not Tinnitus, but IMHO, the American Medical Community is trying to pawn it off as Tinnitus. I've seen a few references to the National Institutes of Health claiming, on flimsy questionnaires sent out, that the HUM is, indeed, Tinnitus.

My wife heard it, simultaneous to me hearing it, for a decade, I still hear it, but if you mention this to doctors, they look at you like you have snakes coming out of your head. My ENT has been sick, so my appointment with him has been delayed, he's back to work but catching up. I see the ENT due to a cancerous thyroid he removed. But recently, my right ear has been acting up. It makes a spontaneous rumbling noise that I can voluntarily reproduce. But telling this to my family doctor, that I can voluntarily make this rumbling (not the HUM) and also mentioning the HUM, since I hear it in my left ear but the right ear is acting up, on both counts, I don't think he believes me, or understands. Yet, yesterday, I found an article that says that some people have voluntary control over a muscle attached to the Tympanic Membrane. That's my voluntarily induced rumbling (not HUM).

So, there are some forms of Tinnitus, "Pulsatile Tinnitus (PT) is a symptom that affects nearly five million Americans. The sensation of hearing a rhythmic noise, such as a heartbeat, swooshing or whooshing, from no external source, is, at best, a little unsettling; for many, the near constant sound exceeds annoyance and becomes completely debilitating" that can cause noises in your hearing, but decidedly is not the HUM. I'd be interested in reading what others have to say on these experiences, if you don't feel like outing yourself, you could always say a friend of yours.......

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Hearing Loss Support Group.

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I don't know, but it seems that the way technology like those you mention, that are available today could cause problems.

We are aware of sound waves being used to intentionally damage hearing/brain use, etc. in some hostile settings.

Let us all know if you learn more!

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Yes, Hostile attack. Could explain something.

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Yes, Hostile attack. Could explain something.

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There is some info on this happening to US diplomats in Cuba. If I can locate the information, I'll share it.

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This is my first time here -- so glad I stumbled across this group. I started having ear problems three months ago, and have seen an ENT doctor for my concerns. He thought it might be Ménière's disease, but didn't make a concrete diagnosis. I'm just here looking to commiserate with others who may be experiencing the same things.

It started with a perceived loss of low frequencies in my left ear. It was very obvious when listening to music as the speakers sounded out-of-phase. The loss comes and goes. The ear also developed a persistent hum at about 80 Hz -- the hum can vary depending on the position of my head. If I bend over for instance, it goes away. Or walking down stairs, it "mutes" briefly on every step.

Earlier this week, the right ear, which had been fine, experienced the same loss of lows. That lasted for two days and then returned to normal. However, that ear now occasionally sounds like it's underwater.

And now the latest thing: Listening to TV or radio, some voices sound robotic, like they're partially running through a device to disguise them. This is VERY weird and quite disconcerting.

Does anyone have experiences which line up with this? I've been advising my doctor of this symptoms, but so far he's not offering much in the way of solutions. Maybe there aren't any?

Thanks!

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This is my first time here -- so glad I stumbled across this group. I started having ear problems three months ago, and have seen an ENT doctor for my concerns. He thought it might be Ménière's disease, but didn't make a concrete diagnosis. I'm just here looking to commiserate with others who may be experiencing the same things.

It started with a perceived loss of low frequencies in my left ear. It was very obvious when listening to music as the speakers sounded out-of-phase. The loss comes and goes. The ear also developed a persistent hum at about 80 Hz -- the hum can vary depending on the position of my head. If I bend over for instance, it goes away. Or walking down stairs, it "mutes" briefly on every step.

Earlier this week, the right ear, which had been fine, experienced the same loss of lows. That lasted for two days and then returned to normal. However, that ear now occasionally sounds like it's underwater.

And now the latest thing: Listening to TV or radio, some voices sound robotic, like they're partially running through a device to disguise them. This is VERY weird and quite disconcerting.

Does anyone have experiences which line up with this? I've been advising my doctor of this symptoms, but so far he's not offering much in the way of solutions. Maybe there aren't any?

Thanks!

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Hello @videojanitor and welcome to Mayo Connect. I'm glad that you found us. This type of hearing loss is interesting. As you do not mention your age or any other health problems and/or medications you might be taking I'm going to assume that you must be in good health and have not added any new meds which might be interfering with your hearing. Is there a family history of this type of hearing problem?

I'm going to ask a moderator to also place this post in the Hearing Loss discussion group where you will meet with many others who may have some information to share with you such as. @julieo4, @sueinmn, and others.

If you would share more, what type of tests have been done by your ENT? Has your hearing been tested by an audiologist? If so, what did the hearing test show?

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This is my first time here -- so glad I stumbled across this group. I started having ear problems three months ago, and have seen an ENT doctor for my concerns. He thought it might be Ménière's disease, but didn't make a concrete diagnosis. I'm just here looking to commiserate with others who may be experiencing the same things.

It started with a perceived loss of low frequencies in my left ear. It was very obvious when listening to music as the speakers sounded out-of-phase. The loss comes and goes. The ear also developed a persistent hum at about 80 Hz -- the hum can vary depending on the position of my head. If I bend over for instance, it goes away. Or walking down stairs, it "mutes" briefly on every step.

Earlier this week, the right ear, which had been fine, experienced the same loss of lows. That lasted for two days and then returned to normal. However, that ear now occasionally sounds like it's underwater.

And now the latest thing: Listening to TV or radio, some voices sound robotic, like they're partially running through a device to disguise them. This is VERY weird and quite disconcerting.

Does anyone have experiences which line up with this? I've been advising my doctor of this symptoms, but so far he's not offering much in the way of solutions. Maybe there aren't any?

Thanks!

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Hi Teresa,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I am 67 and overall in good health. The only medication I take is 0.5mg Lisinopril for blood pressure control, and have been on that for many years with no ill effects. As far as I know, there is no history of this type of hearing loss in my family. I have several brothers in my same general age range, and they don’t have any issues.

When I first started having the low-frequency loss problem, I had a hearing test from an audiologist. The results were considered normal for my age -- just a moderate loss of high frequencies in both ears. If there's anything specific from the results you'd like to know, I'll gladly share them. I have the full report here.

The ENT looked in my ears with some type of large machine -- sorry to say I don't know what it's called. He said everything looked "perfect." He also performed a test using a tuning fork placed at various locations around my head. Again, no problems noted. He also performed a test where he had me lean back and checked for unusual activity in my eyes.

Right now I'm really concerned about this odd "pitch-shifting" effect I'm hearing on voices. It's kind of like voices are partially going through a hollow tube. I even hear it on my own voice, which is quite odd. I emailed the ENT about this earlier today, but have not yet received a reply.

That's the weirdest thing about all this -- it just keeps evolving. Never seems to be the same two days in a row.

Well, thanks again for your help -- it is appreciated!

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Hi Teresa,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I am 67 and overall in good health. The only medication I take is 0.5mg Lisinopril for blood pressure control, and have been on that for many years with no ill effects. As far as I know, there is no history of this type of hearing loss in my family. I have several brothers in my same general age range, and they don’t have any issues.

When I first started having the low-frequency loss problem, I had a hearing test from an audiologist. The results were considered normal for my age -- just a moderate loss of high frequencies in both ears. If there's anything specific from the results you'd like to know, I'll gladly share them. I have the full report here.

The ENT looked in my ears with some type of large machine -- sorry to say I don't know what it's called. He said everything looked "perfect." He also performed a test using a tuning fork placed at various locations around my head. Again, no problems noted. He also performed a test where he had me lean back and checked for unusual activity in my eyes.

Right now I'm really concerned about this odd "pitch-shifting" effect I'm hearing on voices. It's kind of like voices are partially going through a hollow tube. I even hear it on my own voice, which is quite odd. I emailed the ENT about this earlier today, but have not yet received a reply.

That's the weirdest thing about all this -- it just keeps evolving. Never seems to be the same two days in a row.

Well, thanks again for your help -- it is appreciated!

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This sounds like a mystery for sure, @videojanitor. One more thought, have you recently had a virus or upper respiratory infection?

Keep searching for answers. I hope some of our members can respond to your situation soon.

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This is my first time here -- so glad I stumbled across this group. I started having ear problems three months ago, and have seen an ENT doctor for my concerns. He thought it might be Ménière's disease, but didn't make a concrete diagnosis. I'm just here looking to commiserate with others who may be experiencing the same things.

It started with a perceived loss of low frequencies in my left ear. It was very obvious when listening to music as the speakers sounded out-of-phase. The loss comes and goes. The ear also developed a persistent hum at about 80 Hz -- the hum can vary depending on the position of my head. If I bend over for instance, it goes away. Or walking down stairs, it "mutes" briefly on every step.

Earlier this week, the right ear, which had been fine, experienced the same loss of lows. That lasted for two days and then returned to normal. However, that ear now occasionally sounds like it's underwater.

And now the latest thing: Listening to TV or radio, some voices sound robotic, like they're partially running through a device to disguise them. This is VERY weird and quite disconcerting.

Does anyone have experiences which line up with this? I've been advising my doctor of this symptoms, but so far he's not offering much in the way of solutions. Maybe there aren't any?

Thanks!

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It’s weird for sure. No viruses or infections that I’m aware of. Vaxxed and double-boosted for Covid-19 — never had any symptoms (unless this is one).

Thanks again. Will keep monitoring this thread for any other replies.

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This is my first time here -- so glad I stumbled across this group. I started having ear problems three months ago, and have seen an ENT doctor for my concerns. He thought it might be Ménière's disease, but didn't make a concrete diagnosis. I'm just here looking to commiserate with others who may be experiencing the same things.

It started with a perceived loss of low frequencies in my left ear. It was very obvious when listening to music as the speakers sounded out-of-phase. The loss comes and goes. The ear also developed a persistent hum at about 80 Hz -- the hum can vary depending on the position of my head. If I bend over for instance, it goes away. Or walking down stairs, it "mutes" briefly on every step.

Earlier this week, the right ear, which had been fine, experienced the same loss of lows. That lasted for two days and then returned to normal. However, that ear now occasionally sounds like it's underwater.

And now the latest thing: Listening to TV or radio, some voices sound robotic, like they're partially running through a device to disguise them. This is VERY weird and quite disconcerting.

Does anyone have experiences which line up with this? I've been advising my doctor of this symptoms, but so far he's not offering much in the way of solutions. Maybe there aren't any?

Thanks!

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I would like to add 4 questions to the very helpful ones posed by Teresa.
Have you had Covid? Many people report hearing loss after the virus, sometimes months later.
Have you recently taken any antibiotics? There are several types that can affect your hearing, sometimes in very strange ways.
Do you regularly or occasionally work around loud sounds? If so, do you diligently wear effective ear protection?
Are you a musician or audiophile? Your highly specific descriptions of the ranges of loss lead me to think you know quite a bit about sound...
Your answers may help us lead you to a conclusion.
Sue

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This is my first time here -- so glad I stumbled across this group. I started having ear problems three months ago, and have seen an ENT doctor for my concerns. He thought it might be Ménière's disease, but didn't make a concrete diagnosis. I'm just here looking to commiserate with others who may be experiencing the same things.

It started with a perceived loss of low frequencies in my left ear. It was very obvious when listening to music as the speakers sounded out-of-phase. The loss comes and goes. The ear also developed a persistent hum at about 80 Hz -- the hum can vary depending on the position of my head. If I bend over for instance, it goes away. Or walking down stairs, it "mutes" briefly on every step.

Earlier this week, the right ear, which had been fine, experienced the same loss of lows. That lasted for two days and then returned to normal. However, that ear now occasionally sounds like it's underwater.

And now the latest thing: Listening to TV or radio, some voices sound robotic, like they're partially running through a device to disguise them. This is VERY weird and quite disconcerting.

Does anyone have experiences which line up with this? I've been advising my doctor of this symptoms, but so far he's not offering much in the way of solutions. Maybe there aren't any?

Thanks!

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Hello Sue,

Thanks for helping to try to figure this out. Here are the answers to your questions:

No Covid that I’m aware of. Never had any symptoms. I haven’t had so much as a cold since 2018.

No recent antibiotics. Last time I took any was in February, after some oral surgery. At that time, I had two posts placed in my lower jaw for dental implants, The hearing issues started in late April.

I do not work around loud sounds. A few weeks ago though, when I started the vacuum cleaner, it seemed to hurt my right ear, and I felt like it caused me to lose more high frequencies in that ear, It hasn’t seemed the same since.

Audiophile? Yes! Sound has been a life-long passion, so that makes this all the more troubling.

If you have any further questions, I’m happy to answer,

Thanks a million for your help!

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Hi @videojanitor, I want to see you connect with other people that are having a similar issue so I moved your post to
- "The HUM", a persistent Low Frequency Noise
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/the-hum-a-persistent-low-frequency-noise/

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