(MAC/MAI) Mycobacterium Avium Complex Pulmonary Disease: Join us

Posted by Katherine, Alumni Mentor @katemn, Nov 21, 2011

I am new to Mayo online .. I was hoping to find others with .. MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) and/or BRONCHIECTASIS. I found only 1 thread on mycobacterium accidently under the catagory "Lungs". I'm hoping by starting a subject matter directly related to MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) I may find others out there!

I was diagnosed by a sputum culture August 2007 (but the culture result was accidentally misfiled until 2008!) with MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) and BRONCHIECTASIS. I am now on 5 antibiotics. Working with Dr. Timothy Aksamit at Rochester Mayo Clinic .. he is a saint to have put up with me this long! I was terrified of the treatment . started the first antibiotic September 3, 2011 ... am now on all 5 antibiotics for 18 mos to 2 years. Am delighted at the very bearable side effects!

I wrote on the 1 thread I found: If you google NON-TUBERCULOUS MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) you will learn a LOT about the disease. But PLEASE do NOT get scared about all the things you read .. that is what I did and nearly refused to do the treatment until after a 2nd Micomacterium was discovered! Educate yourself for "due diligence" .. but take it all with a grain of salt .. you are NOT necessarily going to have all the terrible side effects of the antibiotics! Good luck to you!

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January 2017 Update

One of our great Connect Members .. @Paula_MAC2007  .. had a wonderfully helpful idea that I wanted to share! Her idea .. as you read through the pages to gather information on our shared disease of MAC you can develop a personal "file cabinet" for future reference without the necessity of reading all the pages again!

If you have the "MS Word" program on your computer:
- Document Title Example:  Mayo Clinic Connect MAI/MAC Information
- Then develop different categories that make sense to you such as:  Heath Aids .. Videos .. Healthy Living .. Positive Thinking .. Baseline Testing and Regular Testing .. Antibiotics ..
Tips for
- As you read the pages .. copy/paste/save things of interest into that MS Word document under your preferred categories for future reference.

Then as you want to refer back to something in the future .. YEAH!  You have now created your own personal "file cabinet" on MAC/MAI!  Go to it!

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the MAC & Bronchiectasis Support Group.

@alleycatkate

@poodledoc Hi! Was wondering how often you and others get CT scans? I have nodular Bronchiectasis (&MAC) and my Dr wants to stay up on them but I question if yearly CT scans are neccessary. I have requested alternating CT with Xrays as I understand they have much less radiation. Any thoughts? Kate

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@alleycatkate @ginak I am currently on a yearly CT scan schedule, but if no change may extend that time frame. A chest Xray puts out a lot less radiation, but it will probably only show an advanced case of Bronchiectasis/MAC. The chest CTs are really necessary to monitor nodular Bronchiectasis (&MAC). The "low dose CT scans" are used primarily as screening for lung cancer and not as diagnostic as a regular chest CT. There is a chart that compares amounts of radiation for each procedure in this article https://www.health.harvard.edu/cancer/radiation-risk-from-medical-imaging I am not happy about the amount of radiation, but it is a necessary evil IMHO. Bill

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@ginak

@alleycatkate I have same Dx, I get yearly scans now. Like Irene, I was getting it every 6 months in the beginning. It’s my understanding, that now there are ‘low dose’ CT scans. Not as much radiation. I guess we have to decide which is the lesser of two evils. Radiation vs infection.

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I didn’t know they had low dose ct scans good to know

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@alleycatkate

@irene5 Irene, Thanks for your input! P & M...Piss and Moan? Kate

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@irene5 Irene...I immediately went to my mother's Irish phrases for P & M. Haha. Pardon!

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I have been having Ct-Scans about once a year or 6 months if necessary. I have never been able to cough up anything, dry as a bone. I tried Arikayce and had a bad reaction to it, so I am back on the Big 3. Have both Bronchiectasis and nodular MAC, will be 3 years in September.

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@poodledoc

@alleycatkate @ginak I am currently on a yearly CT scan schedule, but if no change may extend that time frame. A chest Xray puts out a lot less radiation, but it will probably only show an advanced case of Bronchiectasis/MAC. The chest CTs are really necessary to monitor nodular Bronchiectasis (&MAC). The "low dose CT scans" are used primarily as screening for lung cancer and not as diagnostic as a regular chest CT. There is a chart that compares amounts of radiation for each procedure in this article https://www.health.harvard.edu/cancer/radiation-risk-from-medical-imaging I am not happy about the amount of radiation, but it is a necessary evil IMHO. Bill

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@poodledoc Thank you, Bill! That is an excellent article on radiation. Good to know also that the xray does not show enough definition. Your thought on possibly extending the time frame between scans sounds good to me.

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@anniepie

Sorry Jennifer ( @jr2366 ) I think you've got me mixed up with someone else in this group.

I will be starting Aricayce soon, this month, for the first time. And I will definitely NOT be taking Aricayce alone -- I will be continuing with other Big 3 drugs too. That helps prevent resistance from developing to Aricacye !

Please ask Heather ( @heathert ) and Irene ( @irene5 ) for advice about their time using Aricayce -- they are among the experts on Aricayce here.

PS. I don't think you should be on 1 drug alone -- Aricayce is an important 'salvage' drug for us people who don't respond to the other Big 3 meds. Like I said above: taking only 1 drug could lead to increased resistance developing to Aricayce in our community. (I don't think Heather or Irene were on only Aricayce either). Please talk to your pulmonologist or infectious diseases doctor about this again.

Good luck Jennifer
Annie

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Correct @anniepie, I was on the big 3 antibiotics along with the Aricayce, Never just the Aricayce.

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I was diagnosed with bronchiectasis in 2018 and MAC in October 2020. I started on Rifampin, Azithromycin and Ethambutol in October. By the end of November I noticed staining along the gum line and between my teeth, but I also noticed that my gums were receding. (I had just been to my dentist right before I started on the antibiotics and my teeth and gums were fine.) My dentist gave me some things to do to help with the staining, which he said was bacteria, and your gums don't like bacteria, and that was why they were receding. I tried everything the dentist suggested for a month, but nothing helped. I finally told my pulmonary doctor that I had to quit taking the Rifampin (since staining the teeth is one of the side effects.) It has now been over a month since I stopped the Rifampin and am just taking the Azithromycin and Ethambutolj. However, my gums still seem to be getting worse. Has anyone had a problem with their gums while on these drugs?

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Hello - I took Rifampin for over 18 months, and found it difficult to tolerate, as do quite a few people in this group. Aside from a little staining, it had no effect on my gums. The discoloration took nearly a year to go away.
But, I did look it up here: https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/rifampin-oral-route/side-effects/drg-20065839?p=1
Bleeding gums are considered serious enough to bring to the attention of your doctor, and it sounds like you did that. There is also a VERY long list of meds which can interact badly with Rifampin, so if you are/were using them, it could have had an extra impact. If the gum recession progresses now that you are off Rifampin, or you are very concerned, you could consult a periodontist.
It would be great if you let us know what you learn.
Sue

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@windwalker @sueinmn @boomerexpert @heathert @alleycatkate @thumperguy et al, thought I would I share this article that my functional medicine doctor sent me. It refers to COPD but it's still always promising to hear anything positive about a new possible treatment for the lungs.

- NIH study shows hyaluronan is effective in treating chronic lung disease https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-hyaluronan-effective-treating-chronic-lung-disease

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@nannette that is wonderful and interesting news, always great to know they are working on lung treatments, very promising. Science is always so interesting.Thanks Nannette 🙂 Take care Heather

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