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@tdrell The way I understand it Terri, is that the pink bacteria has it's own biofilm, and for whatever reason, it does not co-exist with any of the other mycobacterims. The pink biofilm is in our pipes and faucets and shower heads. Because we wash away what we see in our bathroom, does not mean we are stripping away protection. Not all municipal water is conducive to the growth methylobacterium. That is why it differs from region to region. I read read an article by Joseph Falkinham at http://www.sciencedirect.com titled: 'International Journal of Mycobacterology volume 5, Issue 2 June 2016 pg. 240-243 it is about a study done in Pennsylvania for Virginia Tech. This study is also about the possibility to impregnate NTM infected water sources to get rid of them. You would enjoy the read.

@tdrell Since the bacteria that leave pink slime are in the water, I don't think it should matter if we wipe off the slime or not. It is that type of bacteria you want in your water. Pink slime is just evidence that these basteria exist in your water.

Kitchen sink, it is easier than in the tub.

Thanks for the tips. I have been sticking my head under the bathtub faucet after the bath. I even bought knee pads when doing so. Lovely look! I will try kitchen sink. Terry

@128128terry11t Ba ha ha ha, Terry! Just had a funny mental picture of you in your knee pads! I think you will find the kitchen sink so much easier. By the way, wasn't making fun of you, I am just being silly. - Terri

Linda, I do that too, but when I returned to a folder I had for some time; it was totally empty!!!!

If we can't laugh, we're in big trouble. Just add a Cambridge mask to the knee pads image! Terry

Ha! I bet your were a vision of one hot mama!

Hello all. My mother was just diagnosed with MAC/MAI. She's been so down in the dumps. Are there any tips/useful information that you can share that you wish you had known when you were starting out? She started the 3 antibiotics today - when do most of you take these? Morning? Afternoon? Evening? With meals? Between meals? She is dealing with horrible GERD - can you take antacids or reflux meds along with the antibiotics? Any info that you can provide will be so helpful and very much appreciated. Thank you!!

Hi, Laura, Welcome! You are in the right place for answers to your questions. I know it appears daunting, but the easiest way to get the information you need is by reading the previous pages of the forum. It is a wealth of information. I read it over a period of time and came away with more knowledge than my infectious disease doctor.
Taking the meds works differently for different people. It took me about 5 times changing the schedule of my meds before I found one that worked for me.
Here are some notes from our mentor, Katherine, who is on sabbatical:
ANTIBIOTIC ..MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH SCHEDULING ANTIBIOTICS
These would be my suggestions to you based on my experience and my research:
**Make SURE you request a “test for antibiotic sensitivity after your sputum culture showed MAC” .. so your doctor KNOWS exactly WHICH antibiotic will be effective for YOUR particular mycobacterium!!

From a Member: Had side effects. Then my pulmonologist took me off all meds to make sure nothing else was going on. My pulmonologist suggested that I re-start the meds one at a time. I went on first one for two weeks (pulmonologist suggested that it be for two weeks); then a second for two weeks; and then a third for two weeks. I also decided that it was time to go on an anti-anxiety pill to help with the “nervousness” and all that it entails. Went to a psychiatrist and am on Lorazepam (anywhere from .5 to 1 mg). That is extremely helpful. No shame in that at all; proud of myself for admitting that I needed that kind of assistance. Wishing you better days.

**With my history to drug sensitivity .. I requested that I start ONE DRUG at a time for ONE WEEK .. or at LEAST 4 days before adding a second drug .. so I could tell EXACTLY which/what drug was causing ANY potential side effect and I could isolate it .. hopefully watch for a side effect dwindle etc. THEN introduce a SECOND DRUG. Frankly WE are in the driver’s seat in our own lives .. our own bodies. Take charge and request that type of schedule if you want it!

TRUST ME! The absolute WORST thing you can do is begin to be stressed about this process .. just go with the flow .. “trust the process” .. put your energy into what you can control .. and let go of what you CANNOT control! You can control gathering the best information possible from all of us .. BUT knowing each of us have different bodies .. different body chemistries .. ways our bodies will react. YOU will just have to go with the flow .. see how YOUR body reacts .. TRUST your body .. ADJUST to how your body is reacting .. TRUST your body .. WORK with your body. Know that your body is your friend .. know that if you take care of your body .. your body can take care of you in the future! So for now .. do NOT try to control the outcome .. the outcome will take care of itself! Trust the process .. trust yourself .. trust us .. we have been through it and have come out on the out side .. you will also. As member @irene5 Irene, said ” You know your body best. You will need to listen to it and it’s infinite wisdom.”

**Below is what worked for me .. but keep in mind .. Basically everyone experiments with what med schedule works best for them:
1. PROBIOTIC: take probiotic half hour before breakfast on an empty stomach (when on meds I also took a 2nd probiotic in the evening on an empty stomach)
2. RIFAMPIN: Take this medicine on an empty stomach .. OR either 1 hour before or 2 hours after food NOTE: take 4 hours after vitamins: as minerals and most other supplements weaken effect of meds! (Absorption of rifampin is reduced by about 30% when the drug is ingested with food. Be aware it can cause: Reddish discoloration of Stool or Urine etc.) FOR ME Rifampin caused sleep disturbance so I tried to take it FIRST THING in the morning!
3. ETHAMBUTOL AND AZITHROMYCIN: BEST with an empty stomach! .. BUT either 1 hour before, or two hours after meals! (taking BOTH at one time gives “greater punch!” (NOTE: take 4 hours after vitamins: as minerals and most other supplements weaken effect of meds!) * take with a LIGHT snack at most.

ANTIBIOTICS .. SCHEDULING ..DIFFERENT MEMBERS
TIP: REQUEST 90 DAY PRESCRIPTIONS FOR ALL YOUR ANTIBIOTICS .. THEN YOU HAVE JUST ONE CO PAY.

BEST
Here from one of our members is what I think is REALLY good advice on starting the antibiotics .. hope it helps you! Keep in mind .. YOU may NOT feel “lousy” the first month .. each of our bodies are DIFFERENT .. each of our bodies will react differently .. but the advice I just excellent!

SCHEDULING ANTIBIOTICS From Member @pamelasc1, I began the 3 pill regimen. I did feel very lousy the first month but was told to hang in there, that it gets better each week- and it did! I will tell you how I take my pills, as timing can help, as can taking other supplements. I take them between 9 and 10 PM, just before going to bed. I take with a lot of water. I try to put a minimum of 2 hours between eating dinner and taking the pills. Every day I take a probiotic to help the gut – the antibiotics wreak havoc with the gut. This can help with nausea – I take my probiotic with breakfast or lunch – do not take it late in the day. I use Ultra Jarro-Dophilus – 50 billion per capsule – will find in the frig at any health food store – I open up the capsule and drop in a bit of applesauce, stir it up and eat. I also take Vit D3, 2000 IU and B6, 50 mg. After my stomach settled down in about a month, the side effects I have been left with are fatigue and weight loss, sometimes night sweats, and insomnia. Remember to take the pills at the same time of the day, so if you go on a schedule like mine, just stick to it by taking the pills two hours or so after eating a meal. This way I found I slept through the nausea for the most part. And as has been suggested, read through all the earlier posts – they are VERY helpful! Good luck and just have faith your nausea will get better. Pamela

OR @lindam272,Linda The Rifampin gives me the most trouble of all the meds. I take 2 Rifampin and a Digestive Advantage probiotic all at once with a full bottle of water when I first get up in the morning. By the time I do my breathing treatment and get ready for my day, an hour has gone by and I have a light breakfast. I was taking the Zithromyacin with breakfast but it was giving me heartburn, so I pushed it out another hour which has helped. I take the Rifampin between 6:30 – 7 a.m., the Zithromyacin at 9a.m. and 3 Ethambutol between noon and 1:00 when I have lunch. What I like about the way I’m taking these meds, is that I’m done by noon or 1:00. I can then take my vitamins and other supplements with dinner which is a good 4 – 6 hours after my last MAC med.

Here is another post from Katherine. I apologize if this is repetitive. I'm not taking time to read thoroughly but wanted to get some information out to you.

ANTIBIOTICS .. SCHEDULING .. STARTING Since you already started one of your meds .. I would recommend that you request that you wait to start EACH NEW antibiotic at intervals of AT LEAST ONE WEEK .. before adding another antibiotic .. so you can tell EXACTLY which/what antibiotic is causing ANY potential side effect and you can isolate it .. hopefully watching for a side effect dwindling etc. THEN introduce another antibiotic. Frankly WE are in the driver’s seat in our own lives .. our own bodies. Take charge and request that type of schedule if you want it!
ANTIBIOTICS .. SCHEDULING ..DIFFERENT MEMBERS
TIP: REQUEST 90 DAY PRESCRIPTIONS FOR ALL YOUR ANTIBIOTICS .. THEN YOU HAVE JUST ONE CO PAY.
BEST Here from one of our members is what I think is REALLY good advice on starting the antibiotics .. hope it helps you! Keep in mind .. YOU may NOT feel “lousy” the first month .. each of our bodies are DIFFERENT .. each of our bodies will react differently .. but the advice I just excellent!
SCHEDULING ANTIBIOTICS From Member @pamelasc1, I began the 3 pill regimen. I did feel very lousy the first month but was told to hang in there, that it gets better each week- and it did! I will tell you how I take my pills, as timing can help, as can taking other supplements. I take them between 9 and 10 PM, just before going to bed. I take with a lot of water. I try to put a minimum of 2 hours between eating dinner and taking the pills. Every day I take a probiotic to help the gut – the antibiotics wreak havoc with the gut. This can help with nausea – I take my probiotic with breakfast or lunch – do not take it late in the day. I use Ultra Jarro-Dophilus – 50 billion per capsule – will find in the frig at any health food store – I open up the capsule and drop in a bit of applesauce, stir it up and eat. I also take Vit D3, 2000 IU and B6, 50 mg. After my stomach settled down in about a month, the side effects I have been left with are fatigue and weight loss, sometimes night sweats, and insomnia. Remember to take the pills at the same time of the day, so if you go on a schedule like mine, just stick to it by taking the pills two hours or so after eating a meal. This way I found I slept through the nausea for the most part. And as has been suggested, read through all the earlier posts – they are VERY helpful! Good luck and just have faith your nausea will get better. Pamela
OR @lindam272,Linda The Rifampin gives me the most trouble of all the meds. I take 2 Rifampin and a Digestive Advantage probiotic all at once with a full bottle of water when I first get up in the morning. By the time I do my breathing treatment and get ready for my day, an hour has gone by and I have a light breakfast. I was taking the Zithromyacin with breakfast but it was giving me heartburn, so I pushed it out another hour which has helped. I take the Rifampin between 6:30 – 7 a.m., the Zithromyacin at 9a.m. and 3 Ethambutol between noon and 1:00 when I have lunch. What I like about the way I’m taking these meds, is that I’m done by noon or 1:00. I can then take my vitamins and other supplements with dinner which is a good 4 – 6 hours after my last MAC med.

You will find a wealth of information and support here. And many others with GERD who can speak to that - I'm not one of them who has that issue so much. Feel free to ask more questions as they come up and after reading this. We will walk this journey with you and your mother. Linda