Lewy Body Dementia at age 51: Anyone else with early onset LBD?

Posted by Jen @jen26, Jul 10, 2021

Hello,
I have just joined the group. My husband was diagnosed with lbd 9 months ago at 51. I was wondering if anyone else has a loved one who was diagnosed at younger age than the norm. There seem to be unique issues, and I’ve been told it is usually faster progressing. Is anyone dealing with this?

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@jen26

If you dont mind – how was the diagnosis made?
What type of testing was done?

We moved into a one story house Feb 2020 because my husband was falling so much. He’s had 12 spinal surgeries, so our family just assumed it (and all the other odd behaviors the past few years) were because of the pressure on his spinal cord. The move seemed to push him over the edge, and he was doing things like looking for the upstairs to get to the bedroom and insisting my daughters parties (which didn’t exist) were getting too loud.
One morning in September 2020, he woke me up in a panic about the people in the back yard, and he was hallucinating pretty badly and was becoming combative. I called the police and they very kindly convinced him to go the ER where they admitted him with cellulitis in his leg. They explained that bad infections can cause hallucinations and once the infection cleared so would the behavior.
When that did not happen, they insisted it was a psych issue. The psych team said it was not and contacted the neurologist, who did an mri and eeg. These came back “abnormal,” but he said he’d need further testing that our small hospital couldn’t do.
He was transported by ambulance to a bigger hospital in Pittsburgh to have these tests done. The evening he was admitted, their neuro team called and woke me up in the middle of the night asking, “Can you tell us why he’s here? We don’t see anything wrong with him.” Even though he could not figure out how to eat his breakfast and believed the hospital was trying to frame him for murder, they discharged him that morning! I drove the 2 hours back with him screaming that I was running over people with the car.
The next week at home was a nightmare. He was confused, had bursts of anger, was wondering around in the middle of the night, and was having bad tremors in his hands. I had to feed and dress him, and our grown children helped me take shifts to provide him 24 hour care while I tried to go to work.
To make a long story short (although I think it’s too late for that….sorry for rambling), I convinced him to get in the car so I could take him to Cleveland. So in the middle of the night I made the 3 hour trip just praying he didn’t try and get out of the car and run from me. I pulled up to the ER, burst into tears, and asked the receptionist to please help me.
They immediately knew something was wrong and admitted him into their behavioral psych unit where the neurologists and psychiatrists worked together. They explained that their lead diagnosis was Lewy body dementia but they wanted to do everything they could to make sure it wasn’t something else. They repeated an mri, eeg, did a pet scan, and ran a boat load of lab work.
After 2 weeks in the hospital his mental and physical condition deteriorated, and he was hitting nurses and called security to report a kidnapping by his wife. After trying several meds, they asked me if they could give him a very small dose of haldol. They were honest about the risk, but they wanted to try it while he was in the hospital under their care rather than in a facility that he was going to have to go to. I agreed, and it helped him immediately without any bad reactions.
He was able to come home with the help of home health services and continued to improve. I found a good neurologist an hour and a half away who has been seeing him regularly. This doctor says he isn’t completely convinced it is lbd since he is able to take haldol and almost 50% cannot take that type of med. I know that is the text book reaction, but if there is anything I’ve researched about this disease is that you can’t put it in a box. Besides, I told him if 50% are unable to take it, that means that 50% are able. He said what happens over the stretch of time will tell him more.
In the meantime, he has some good days where he’s cognizant of what’s going on and some bad days where he can have any combination of the following symptoms: hand tremors, drooling, choking on food, tripping, inability to have conversations when there are several people in the room, staring spells, slurred words, quiet and withdrawn, night sweats, a significant loss of executive function, sleeps a lot in the day, wonders at night, yells out in his sleep, falls out of bed, and has developed restless leg syndrome.
And that’s basically where we are now.

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Hello - Sorry I didnt get back to you sooner on how the diagnosis was made / what testing was done.
There were several clinical evaluations to determine if there was more going on than just the PArkinsonism.
Did some in office cognitive testing that led to the more formal multi hour MCI battery of tests. They want to see 2 of these requires a progressive decline in your ability to think, as well as at least two of the following:

1) Fluctuating alertness and thinking function
2) Repeated visual hallucinations
3) Parkinsonian symptoms
4) REM sleep behavior disorder

Of course - I meet all four.

Then there was not being blue to regulate body temp well (sweating) and sensitivity to antipsychotic drugs,
After 3 years of decline along with worsening Parkinsonism, problems with ADl, getting lost when driving, hallucinations, and depression here we are.

We found that this was mostly a clinical diagnosis.

There were a coupe of imaging studies that weren’t overly conclusive - but could be done. For my disability claim we did do a PET scan to determine whether dopamine transporter uptake is reduced in the brain - it was.

All of that was more than enough to meet the requirements for SSDI.
Of course there is only one way to know for sure and at that time it isn’t really important.

Peace
Larry H

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Oh, don't worry about the delay! I was just wondering if you had some "magical " test done that my husband didn't have. It seems like all those scans, etc just rule out other diagnosis. His clinical symptoms are almost exactly the same as yours, and he had reduced dopamine also. Thanks!
Jen

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@larryh123

Sounds like you are having quite the time. What you say really is so true "but if there is anything I’ve researched about this disease is that you can’t put it in a box".
Some docs try to do that.

I wan to give you some good info on the testing. I have to look at the notes. I will get back to you in a separate post.

What you are seeing with the behavior is unfortunately something that isn't uncommon.
Right now I am at the semi paranoid stage where I feel like everything is argumentative putting me on the defensive and acting like a 2year old sometimes with my reactions.
My hallucinations aren't nearly that bad, but it can definitely happen.
I thought the same thing as you di on the doc saying 50% don't. I immediately thought 50% can. That is saying it helps someone not some Duh.
The good days and bad days are part of it. Somedays - even a week I will be doing pretty well. Then back to Lewy land.
Wow - the inability to have conversations with several people. Sometimes too much to process, too much to follow and frustrating the you want to chime in but don't know when to jump in like most people. Then I get frustrated because when a break comes the conversation sway beyond what I was thinking or I forget all together.
Many of the bad day stuff you mention is true with me.
drooling, choking on food (not too prominent), staring spells, slurred words, quiet and withdrawn, night sweats, a significant loss of executive function.

Home health services are a real help. We found that the occupational therapist helped a lot to "Larry proof" some parts of the house. And customize some ADL's to help me with things such as taking the right meds at the right time, showering ( I forget to wash hair, maybe use soap or miss parts of my body).

Has he been tested for REM sleep disorders? It isa common thing that might be a contributing factor to the falling out of bed and yelling out in his sleep. I have RSBD (REM Sleep Behavioral Disorder) - again common with this.
This causes me to roll around in bed and it looks like hurricane hit the bed in the morning because I have thrash around a lot and the cover and sheets are anywhere but where they should be.
They can give him something to help with sleep and get into REM sleep.

You will definitely benefit from a multi pronged arroach with a psych and neurological team who work together.

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I am off the bloodstream thinner Xarelto and the thyroid is. I am getting back to normal. doing things like I was before the medication. I think the packing plants is mixing the drugs, way to get rid of overstock of powder. Last prescription the MD specialist for thyroid increase dosage, that increased side effects. Blood test yesterday and will keep you posted. On natural vitamins for thyroid and blood thinner.

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@farmer0233

I am off the bloodstream thinner Xarelto and the thyroid is. I am getting back to normal. doing things like I was before the medication. I think the packing plants is mixing the drugs, way to get rid of overstock of powder. Last prescription the MD specialist for thyroid increase dosage, that increased side effects. Blood test yesterday and will keep you posted. On natural vitamins for thyroid and blood thinner.

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Glad there is some progress being made. Have you looked at the manufacturer of the prescription? IT should be on the bottle. I have found that the same script - just demo different manufacturers dont act the same. Some give me more jitters, some make me more tired than the other manufacturers.
Maybe keep track of th meds you are thinking there are issues with to see if there is a manufacturer that works better than others for you.
Psalm 46

Peace
Larry H

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@larryh123

Glad there is some progress being made. Have you looked at the manufacturer of the prescription? IT should be on the bottle. I have found that the same script - just demo different manufacturers dont act the same. Some give me more jitters, some make me more tired than the other manufacturers.
Maybe keep track of th meds you are thinking there are issues with to see if there is a manufacturer that works better than others for you.
Psalm 46

Peace
Larry H

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LANNETT, Sandoz, Abbive, one moreover starts with C. Dosage. Thyroid
.25, .75, .81. Higher the dosage the worse the side effects. Memory loss was bad.
Found friends father in nursing home, she demanded they take him off Xarelto blood thinner and he was home in a week, doing great, that was about 2 years ago. Blood thinner Xarelto was on recall when we were on it.

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@jen26

Oh, don't worry about the delay! I was just wondering if you had some "magical " test done that my husband didn't have. It seems like all those scans, etc just rule out other diagnosis. His clinical symptoms are almost exactly the same as yours, and he had reduced dopamine also. Thanks!
Jen

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I just posted the Company name for thyroid medication.
Do you want me to list side effects of Xarlto blood thinner and thyroid medication. It was the same side effects. The thyroid medication side effects started about 2 years after the blood thinner side effects. Memory loss was bad.

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Has he been on Xarelto blood thinner or thyroid medication? I has side effects from both, have found several people in nursing homes because of the medication.

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It doesnt necessarily progress fast! Some people are living with it after 10 yrs.!
Symptoms do progress badly and then seem to reverse, like a roller coaster ride! So symptoms can be bad one day, and almost none the next few days!!!

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I am caring for my brother who was diagnosed with LBD at age 55 in 2016. Five years into the journey, the digression is mostly gradual with some sad losses (driver's license, unable to read anymore, trouble operating the TV remote) Our situation is worse because he has Parkinson symptoms (shuffle, freeze, somewhat muffled speech) I understand that exercise is really important. Unfortunately I have a hard time getting my brother to exercise due to asthma. Be sure and get yourself involved in a support group or two. They sustain me. Best luck and prayers for you and your husband.

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I know how you feel but you can work around the decline in health. Prayers.
Check the medication he is taking, did the dementia start after a new drug?
My experience first was Xarelto blood thinner.
Blurred vision, cramps in legs and feet, diarrhea, no energy, no appetite, increased blood sugar 130, increased blood pressure, foggy brain, couldn't remember, sleep pattern bad, got weaker and to the point I was afraid to get out of bed. MD and pharmacist from health care wanted me on blood thinner because of blood clot. I took myself off the blood thinner Xarelto and within a week, I was much better, off blood thinner about 2 months, new hematologist and he checked and no blood clots. This was about 3 years ago.
October 2020, after being on thyroid for 25 years .75. I started having same side effects as the blood thinner Xarelto. MD specialist just changed prescription dosage and I kept getting worse, back in bed afraid I would fall. Took myself off thyroid, back on thyroid, 7 th prescription, October to June. Almost in nursing home, Took myself off and doing great. Taking Kelp for about a week. Won't get blood test until 4 -6 weeks. Investigated and found the blood thinner Xarelto and thyroid medication package in same plants, owned by China, in USA. FDA hasn't responded.
My DO, and pharmacy helping me.
Have found several people who are having same issues with both.
One woman had issues with Xarelto blood thinner, couldn't find where she had internal bleeding, taking off blood thinner, filter on heart, blood transfusions for several weeks, 2 months later a brain blood clot stroke. She is doing good. Not much energy but not down, 2 other people the blood thinner, too much blood loss, they died, one man in nursing home, off blood thinner and home in a week.
Check all medication and vitamins.

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