recurrent bladder infections after prolapse surgery

Posted by Joan Trost @joantrost, Sep 26, 2011

I have suffered six urinary tract infections after prolapse and urethral sling surgery In November 2010. That surgery required two additional surgeries to take down a urethra sling. I have been on antibiotics 4 of the past 10 months. I fear any additional surgery will make me worse.
I live in a small city and don't know where to go for the best help. Can someone help?

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Hello @smartchick43,

You will notice that I moved your message to this existing discussion, so that you can meet other members with similar symptoms. In addition to all the information and suggestions from Jamie and Martin, I would also encourage you to view these other discussions on Connect:

– Want to discuss prolapse bladder or any kind of prolapse https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/i-am-looking-to-discuss-prolapse-bladder-or-any-kind-of-prolapse/
– UTI and Kidney function. https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/uti-and-kidney-function/

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@kanaazpereira

Hello @smartchick43,

You will notice that I moved your message to this existing discussion, so that you can meet other members with similar symptoms. In addition to all the information and suggestions from Jamie and Martin, I would also encourage you to view these other discussions on Connect:

– Want to discuss prolapse bladder or any kind of prolapse https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/i-am-looking-to-discuss-prolapse-bladder-or-any-kind-of-prolapse/
– UTI and Kidney function. https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/uti-and-kidney-function/

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hello I had prolapse surgery in March and I did have one UTI (whenever I need to be catherized I get one) I have been UTI free ever since I take a cranberry juice extract NOT just drinking cranberry juice this is the extract I get it on amazon in pill form you can also buy it in a liquid form at any health food store and mix it with water....I will not mention any name of a product because I know that this forum don't allow that but it has helped me also I did not get the sling I wonder if your body doesn't like it???? I take 1pill 2 to 3 times a day with meals.....du2 having to take hot baths ( I am suffering with pelvic floor muscle spasms ) I take it 2 times a day....I hope this helps

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I am very sorry to hear that you all are getting UTI's after the mesh or slings. I am terrified now, after reading your comments and also all the hundreds of comments on other sites that have the same issues. I have been putting off having this surgery to repair or lift bladder from a cystocele and I have a rectocele also, spotted on a vaginal ultrasound. I am getting UTI's every 7 to 8 weeks and haven't even had the surgery yet. Been taking Microdantin 50 mg every night. Not sure if I should forget the surgery or not. I am confused. I don't understand where the bacterial comes from either, like many others have stated. I do every thing correct and super clean like a OCD freak with my body and germs. It's weird. And I read so many have gotten C.Diff in hospitals. Both of my parents got C.Diff in the hospital in past 7 months. I do not understand it.

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Hi I had a laparoscopic sacral colpopexy for a bladder sling which converted to open abdominal sacral colpopexy due to a 3 centimeter injury to my left common iliac vein going up to my bifurcation of the vena cava...Long story short I was in & out of hospitals seeing Dr's to help with the DVT's .. I ended up going to Mayo's for a stent. Now Im also getting back to back UTI"s Could it be that our bodies are having a reaction to the mesh? Could this be a cause to have the mesh removed? I will go back to Mayo's if necessary..

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@pdove

Hi I had a laparoscopic sacral colpopexy for a bladder sling which converted to open abdominal sacral colpopexy due to a 3 centimeter injury to my left common iliac vein going up to my bifurcation of the vena cava...Long story short I was in & out of hospitals seeing Dr's to help with the DVT's .. I ended up going to Mayo's for a stent. Now Im also getting back to back UTI"s Could it be that our bodies are having a reaction to the mesh? Could this be a cause to have the mesh removed? I will go back to Mayo's if necessary..

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Welcome to Connect, @pdove and @debrina. You may wish to join the discussions in the Women's Health group here:

> Groups > Women's Health > scheduling sacrocolpopexy and cystocele repair...more than a little scared https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/scheduling-sacrocolpopexy-and-cystocele-repair-more-than-a-little-scared/?pg=2
> Want to discuss prolapse bladder or any kind of prolapse https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/i-am-looking-to-discuss-prolapse-bladder-or-any-kind-of-prolapse/?orderby=ASC&pg=11

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Hi! I am a 69 year old woman with some of the same problems as I have read above. I had hoped to sail into 'old age' in good health and taking no medications at all...but I do take a diuretic for borderline high blood pressure... Must lose more weight to get off it...

I am glad to read the comments above because I have just been diagnosed with a cystocele (after a winter of coughing violently due to a bad flu). The cystocele seems to have simmered down and am almost not aware of it at this point so I won't even consider an operation...although I realize the condition will not 'go away' and that an operation is likely inevitable...one day.

My main issue is UTIs. I have had 31 rounds of a variety of antibiotics in the past 3 years and 3 months for pretty much continual UTIs. In that time I did have a reprieve of 5 months after being put on vaginal estrogen (with bio-identical progesterone cream as estrogen should not be 'unopposed'). And I had another 3 month reprieve after curing a UTI on day 2 of the infection with the following: I put 2 drops of oregano oil in each of 3 glasses of water. Over a morning I drank them all and ate nothing. That was it! The UTI was gone for 3 months. Then I ate a sugary Xmas meal...and the UTIs returned for which I needed antibiotics and the infections continued unabated! I have tried the oregano method but I believe that it hasn't worked because I was not fully committed in other aspects of treatment (below).

At this point the bacteria, usually e-coli is resistant to 4 different antibiotics.

I have researched this condition to the point where I know more about UTIs and treatments than my GP...and maybe to some extent my urologist. Like most doctors, in my experience, he seems more interested in treatment than prevention. His answer is, "Here's a prescription for 6 months of antibiotics.".
Because I have been on so many rounds of antibiotics, I am almost more concerned about my gut biome. Since 80% of our immune system is in the intestines, I realize I am destroying it with all these antibiotics.As such, I am becoming more and more open to cancer, infections and all disease for that matter which I will have little defences against.

After my 31st round of antibiotics, 2 weeks ago I set my mind to doing everything in my power to fend off another UTI. It became an almost full time preoccupation that included plenty of research. This is what it has included...and so far no UTI: throughout the day drinking water with cranberry juice (not cocktail) in it plus d-Mannose sprinkled into it. Morning and evening I add nasty tasting turmeric plus a few grinds of pepper to help absorption . Also 2x per day I take cranberry pills, vitamin C, 2 - 3 drops of oregano oil in water, showers 2x a day especially after a BM and taking Intestinew recommended by my naturopathic doctor to restore the lining of my intestines. I read that a healthy bladder depends on a healthy gut. I also switched from Vagifem, the vaginal pill taken 2x per week to Estring, a ring impregnated with estrogen to provide continual absorption. When I suggested it to the gynaecologist, she said it might help.

I have learned that it is vitally important to keep the urine on the alkaline side which means eating plenty of fruits and veggies (6 - 10 servings)...even lemons. They are acidic when eaten but become alkaline in digestion. Eating a sugary food can cause the urine to be acidic for 5 hours which can lead to a UTI. The importance of avoiding high carb foods cannot be overemphasized! On 2 occasions I had a sweet dessert at dinner one night and the next morning woke up with a UTI. High carb foods cause inflammation and are the worst thing for the body as a whole. I have started juicing with vegetables.

Yes, I am tired of this continual battle and having to focus on my bladder health every day, but the alternative is continued UTIs and increased antibiotic resistance, a compromised immune system, a kidney infection with possible sepsis...and we all know where that leads!

I feel that researching and learning about a particular condition including medications and their side effects are key. No one is more motivated or interested in your health than yourself.

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@afrobin

Hi! I am a 69 year old woman with some of the same problems as I have read above. I had hoped to sail into 'old age' in good health and taking no medications at all...but I do take a diuretic for borderline high blood pressure... Must lose more weight to get off it...

I am glad to read the comments above because I have just been diagnosed with a cystocele (after a winter of coughing violently due to a bad flu). The cystocele seems to have simmered down and am almost not aware of it at this point so I won't even consider an operation...although I realize the condition will not 'go away' and that an operation is likely inevitable...one day.

My main issue is UTIs. I have had 31 rounds of a variety of antibiotics in the past 3 years and 3 months for pretty much continual UTIs. In that time I did have a reprieve of 5 months after being put on vaginal estrogen (with bio-identical progesterone cream as estrogen should not be 'unopposed'). And I had another 3 month reprieve after curing a UTI on day 2 of the infection with the following: I put 2 drops of oregano oil in each of 3 glasses of water. Over a morning I drank them all and ate nothing. That was it! The UTI was gone for 3 months. Then I ate a sugary Xmas meal...and the UTIs returned for which I needed antibiotics and the infections continued unabated! I have tried the oregano method but I believe that it hasn't worked because I was not fully committed in other aspects of treatment (below).

At this point the bacteria, usually e-coli is resistant to 4 different antibiotics.

I have researched this condition to the point where I know more about UTIs and treatments than my GP...and maybe to some extent my urologist. Like most doctors, in my experience, he seems more interested in treatment than prevention. His answer is, "Here's a prescription for 6 months of antibiotics.".
Because I have been on so many rounds of antibiotics, I am almost more concerned about my gut biome. Since 80% of our immune system is in the intestines, I realize I am destroying it with all these antibiotics.As such, I am becoming more and more open to cancer, infections and all disease for that matter which I will have little defences against.

After my 31st round of antibiotics, 2 weeks ago I set my mind to doing everything in my power to fend off another UTI. It became an almost full time preoccupation that included plenty of research. This is what it has included...and so far no UTI: throughout the day drinking water with cranberry juice (not cocktail) in it plus d-Mannose sprinkled into it. Morning and evening I add nasty tasting turmeric plus a few grinds of pepper to help absorption . Also 2x per day I take cranberry pills, vitamin C, 2 - 3 drops of oregano oil in water, showers 2x a day especially after a BM and taking Intestinew recommended by my naturopathic doctor to restore the lining of my intestines. I read that a healthy bladder depends on a healthy gut. I also switched from Vagifem, the vaginal pill taken 2x per week to Estring, a ring impregnated with estrogen to provide continual absorption. When I suggested it to the gynaecologist, she said it might help.

I have learned that it is vitally important to keep the urine on the alkaline side which means eating plenty of fruits and veggies (6 - 10 servings)...even lemons. They are acidic when eaten but become alkaline in digestion. Eating a sugary food can cause the urine to be acidic for 5 hours which can lead to a UTI. The importance of avoiding high carb foods cannot be overemphasized! On 2 occasions I had a sweet dessert at dinner one night and the next morning woke up with a UTI. High carb foods cause inflammation and are the worst thing for the body as a whole. I have started juicing with vegetables.

Yes, I am tired of this continual battle and having to focus on my bladder health every day, but the alternative is continued UTIs and increased antibiotic resistance, a compromised immune system, a kidney infection with possible sepsis...and we all know where that leads!

I feel that researching and learning about a particular condition including medications and their side effects are key. No one is more motivated or interested in your health than yourself.

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@afrobin Hi Robin. Your UTI problem, lasting for more than 3 years, must really be discouraging but you seem to be doing all of the best things for it.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. When I was a migraine sufferer, prior to menopause, I read somewhere that most migraine patients know more than most doctors do about migraines, except for a few specialists. I think that is true of any condition, particularly now that we have the internet. Doctors sometimes do not like their patients googling, and I had an NP tell me to stop my "silly habit" of googling. I think some of them want to appear to be Gods or something.
Thankfully many good doctors are not threatened by it though.
JK

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@afrobin

Hi! I am a 69 year old woman with some of the same problems as I have read above. I had hoped to sail into 'old age' in good health and taking no medications at all...but I do take a diuretic for borderline high blood pressure... Must lose more weight to get off it...

I am glad to read the comments above because I have just been diagnosed with a cystocele (after a winter of coughing violently due to a bad flu). The cystocele seems to have simmered down and am almost not aware of it at this point so I won't even consider an operation...although I realize the condition will not 'go away' and that an operation is likely inevitable...one day.

My main issue is UTIs. I have had 31 rounds of a variety of antibiotics in the past 3 years and 3 months for pretty much continual UTIs. In that time I did have a reprieve of 5 months after being put on vaginal estrogen (with bio-identical progesterone cream as estrogen should not be 'unopposed'). And I had another 3 month reprieve after curing a UTI on day 2 of the infection with the following: I put 2 drops of oregano oil in each of 3 glasses of water. Over a morning I drank them all and ate nothing. That was it! The UTI was gone for 3 months. Then I ate a sugary Xmas meal...and the UTIs returned for which I needed antibiotics and the infections continued unabated! I have tried the oregano method but I believe that it hasn't worked because I was not fully committed in other aspects of treatment (below).

At this point the bacteria, usually e-coli is resistant to 4 different antibiotics.

I have researched this condition to the point where I know more about UTIs and treatments than my GP...and maybe to some extent my urologist. Like most doctors, in my experience, he seems more interested in treatment than prevention. His answer is, "Here's a prescription for 6 months of antibiotics.".
Because I have been on so many rounds of antibiotics, I am almost more concerned about my gut biome. Since 80% of our immune system is in the intestines, I realize I am destroying it with all these antibiotics.As such, I am becoming more and more open to cancer, infections and all disease for that matter which I will have little defences against.

After my 31st round of antibiotics, 2 weeks ago I set my mind to doing everything in my power to fend off another UTI. It became an almost full time preoccupation that included plenty of research. This is what it has included...and so far no UTI: throughout the day drinking water with cranberry juice (not cocktail) in it plus d-Mannose sprinkled into it. Morning and evening I add nasty tasting turmeric plus a few grinds of pepper to help absorption . Also 2x per day I take cranberry pills, vitamin C, 2 - 3 drops of oregano oil in water, showers 2x a day especially after a BM and taking Intestinew recommended by my naturopathic doctor to restore the lining of my intestines. I read that a healthy bladder depends on a healthy gut. I also switched from Vagifem, the vaginal pill taken 2x per week to Estring, a ring impregnated with estrogen to provide continual absorption. When I suggested it to the gynaecologist, she said it might help.

I have learned that it is vitally important to keep the urine on the alkaline side which means eating plenty of fruits and veggies (6 - 10 servings)...even lemons. They are acidic when eaten but become alkaline in digestion. Eating a sugary food can cause the urine to be acidic for 5 hours which can lead to a UTI. The importance of avoiding high carb foods cannot be overemphasized! On 2 occasions I had a sweet dessert at dinner one night and the next morning woke up with a UTI. High carb foods cause inflammation and are the worst thing for the body as a whole. I have started juicing with vegetables.

Yes, I am tired of this continual battle and having to focus on my bladder health every day, but the alternative is continued UTIs and increased antibiotic resistance, a compromised immune system, a kidney infection with possible sepsis...and we all know where that leads!

I feel that researching and learning about a particular condition including medications and their side effects are key. No one is more motivated or interested in your health than yourself.

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Sounds like me. I have done it all

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COLLEEN, I HAVE NOT EVER HAD SURGERY FOR MY PROLAPSED BLADDER SO I CAN'T CONTRIBUTE TO THAT DISCUSSION. BUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS I'VE USED A PESSARY WHICH I , MYSELF, MANAGE MANUALLY, TO HAVE CONTROL OVER THE PROLAPSE. MY LAST POST ON THIS SITE WAS TO REPORT HUGE HUGE HUGE IMPROVEMENT WITH THE PROLAPSE AFTER HAVING LOST WEIGHT. FROM ABOUT 215 AT FIVE FEET 6 INCHES TALL TO ABOUT 175 LBS NOW AT 77 YEARS OLD. . I WAS NEVER TOLD LOSING WEIGHT WOULD IMPROVE IT. BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN GLAD TO FIND IT OUT.

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@misssassy

COLLEEN, I HAVE NOT EVER HAD SURGERY FOR MY PROLAPSED BLADDER SO I CAN'T CONTRIBUTE TO THAT DISCUSSION. BUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS I'VE USED A PESSARY WHICH I , MYSELF, MANAGE MANUALLY, TO HAVE CONTROL OVER THE PROLAPSE. MY LAST POST ON THIS SITE WAS TO REPORT HUGE HUGE HUGE IMPROVEMENT WITH THE PROLAPSE AFTER HAVING LOST WEIGHT. FROM ABOUT 215 AT FIVE FEET 6 INCHES TALL TO ABOUT 175 LBS NOW AT 77 YEARS OLD. . I WAS NEVER TOLD LOSING WEIGHT WOULD IMPROVE IT. BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN GLAD TO FIND IT OUT.

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@misssassy I was told that it helps after I lost weight! It did, but not enough. I have had botox and that helped a lot. I am due for another treatment next week.
JK

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