Bowel or fecal incontinence and how to manage it

Posted by Sarah @emyliander, Jun 11, 2019

I am 73 yr old femal with diagnosed Celiac, Microscopic Colitis and IBS. i don’t have diarrhea, BM’s are either soft formed or constipated small hard stool, but either way I can be incontenant of small amount of stool. I wear a pad in close knit underwear with legs, so nothing can escape. Any advice from people with same problem would be comforting and useful. I would like to know how you handled it on social occasions.
Thank you, Emyliander

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@dnikulas I have not had your problem, but because of having gallbladder out and stomach surgeries I sometimes have dumping syndrome. You have probably read this article or others like it: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/fecal-incontinence/symptoms-causes/syc-20351397

I would keep a food diary to see if any foods contribute to your problem. Diet with me has helped a lot for the urgency of loose bowels. Another thing that helped me is taking a probiotic. I tried several, but the only one that helped me is Align. Instead of a daily problem it is now once or twice a month.

I would also get a second or even a third opinion of what is causing your problem.

Best of luck,
Zaroga

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Thanks for the tips.

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I suffer from an "urge" incontinence. Almost every day I get the feeling (an urge) that I must find a toilet immediately. I have two to 10 minutes and if I don't make it I load my pants with the main bowel movement of the day. A gastroenterologist told me I don't have fecal "urge" incontinence, but "probably have IBS". He told me to take 2 tablespoons of Metamusel psyllium fiber) three times each day. After 3 1/2 week I still have the "urge" problem, in addition to now having 4 to 5 healthy bowel movements each day. Has anyone had a "diagnosis" and a "cure" for this kind of a problem: an strong urge once a day that must be attended to or one loses bowel control. I need help as I cannot travel in fear of the urge problem. Usually between 8 a.m. and 11 a.m. it happens, and after that I am okay for the day.

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This is a terrible problem for you. Did the GI who recommended Metamucil and suggested that you have IBS explain the dietary connections and refer you to a nutritionist? Have you had testing to rule out conditions like celiac? Have you had a colonoscopy? I had a similar problem with “the urges” and do have IBS. The low Fodmap diet is terrible but has mostly solved the bathroom emergencies. I can’t imagine all of that Metamucil.

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This is a terrible problem for you. Did the GI who recommended Metamucil and suggested that you have IBS explain the dietary connections and refer you to a nutritionist? Have you had testing to rule out conditions like celiac? Have you had a colonoscopy? I had a similar problem with “the urges” and do have IBS. The low Fodmap diet is terrible but has mostly solved the bathroom emergencies. I can’t imagine all of that Metamucil.

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No. No. No. Yes. I will research Fodmap. Metamucil does not alleviate the problem, but only increases it. Thanks for the tip.

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This is a terrible problem for you. Did the GI who recommended Metamucil and suggested that you have IBS explain the dietary connections and refer you to a nutritionist? Have you had testing to rule out conditions like celiac? Have you had a colonoscopy? I had a similar problem with “the urges” and do have IBS. The low Fodmap diet is terrible but has mostly solved the bathroom emergencies. I can’t imagine all of that Metamucil.

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@jackiem95 @dnikulas When I first started having the problem with diarrhea I was told to use Metamucil. It did not help at all. I did find that Imodium helped a bit but I am not supposed to use that much. Apparently it is not good to take when you are on immunosuppressants. Then I finally figured out that the darned immunosuppressants had actually triggered lactose intolerance and since then, as I said in my earlier post, I am doing much better. If I do have something questionable I take Lactaid which is very little help if at all, and then Imodium which I can take occasionally and between the two of them the problem is much less.
As @fourof5zs said, keep a food diary. That's pretty much what made me finally aware that lactose was my problem.
No ice cream? Sob. 🙁
JK

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@mlmcg, thank you, I never knew so many people had the same problems, my best wishes are with you all. Emy

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I have been reluctant to ask my family doctor for a consult with a Urogynecologist, I eventually called. Her nurse called back and said the doctor had never heard of Pelvic Floor PT. The nurse however had looked it up and showed it to the doc. She told the nurse to call my Gastroenterologist to ask if it was something he would recommend for me. So now I have to wait to hear the result. Meanwhile I am wondering how I’m going to make out traveling to Spain in August. On a 7 hr flight and traveling and going to beaches.
Emy.

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I have been reluctant to ask my family doctor for a consult with a Urogynecologist, I eventually called. Her nurse called back and said the doctor had never heard of Pelvic Floor PT. The nurse however had looked it up and showed it to the doc. She told the nurse to call my Gastroenterologist to ask if it was something he would recommend for me. So now I have to wait to hear the result. Meanwhile I am wondering how I’m going to make out traveling to Spain in August. On a 7 hr flight and traveling and going to beaches.
Emy.

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@emyliander She’s a urogynecologist and she never heard of pelvic floor PT? Good thing she has a smart nurse. I can’t imagine that she would have a gastroenterologist prescribe it, that should be her call.
Doctors here, in NH and Maine, are often not as up on things as doctors in more densely populated areas, but the urogynecologist in Manchester is supposed to be good if you don’t mind waiting forever for an appointment. As I have mentioned though, I have basically all of my care at Mass General now except for my PCP. I really love that hospital. All of the doctors and nurses there are phenomenal.
JK

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@emyliander She’s a urogynecologist and she never heard of pelvic floor PT? Good thing she has a smart nurse. I can’t imagine that she would have a gastroenterologist prescribe it, that should be her call.
Doctors here, in NH and Maine, are often not as up on things as doctors in more densely populated areas, but the urogynecologist in Manchester is supposed to be good if you don’t mind waiting forever for an appointment. As I have mentioned though, I have basically all of my care at Mass General now except for my PCP. I really love that hospital. All of the doctors and nurses there are phenomenal.
JK

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I didn’t make myself clear. It was my GP that hadn’t heard of Pelvic Floor PT. I still would have expected her to know about it though. I guess if she doesn’t know about it, it would be hard to make the decision as to whether it is nessasary. They could make a decision that it’s not, but not nessasarily be right. I’ll have to wait and see.

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Thank you, @astaingegerdm . Even though you had muscle damage, were you able to be helped by Urogynecologist. Have you tried PT ? I too wear a pad, I am not even aware when the incontinence happens, so until I go to the bathroom I’m unaware of it and worry about odors. Then theres the major cleanup with wet wipes that can’t be flushed even if they say they can. Apparently they still clog pipes. At night I wear adult disposable pants,
Thank you again for your input.

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I have over production of bile. I also have problems unaware i soiled my self. I am now taking collestipol 1gm in am and if I go out I take another. My problem started 10 years ago. I had my gallbladder out 40 years ago. I hate jt. But the medicine helps. I also know what foods set me off. I had to do my own research and come up with the diagnosis. Very frustrating when doctors do not help. I am retired nurse had never heard of this condition. I wear pads when I go places. Always carry xtra stuff. But I am thankful for the meds. Maybe try and see if it would work for you . It can. Constipate though but I find that better then standing in the middle of a store with poop running down my legs. Also sorbitol, malitol etc causes diahrea. I hate this condition.

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I have over production of bile. I also have problems unaware i soiled my self. I am now taking collestipol 1gm in am and if I go out I take another. My problem started 10 years ago. I had my gallbladder out 40 years ago. I hate jt. But the medicine helps. I also know what foods set me off. I had to do my own research and come up with the diagnosis. Very frustrating when doctors do not help. I am retired nurse had never heard of this condition. I wear pads when I go places. Always carry xtra stuff. But I am thankful for the meds. Maybe try and see if it would work for you . It can. Constipate though but I find that better then standing in the middle of a store with poop running down my legs. Also sorbitol, malitol etc causes diahrea. I hate this condition.

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Hello @tjitske, I admire how proactive you have been. You said, " I had to do my own research and come up with the diagnosis." For many of us, this has been the way we have learned about a difficult and/or hard to diagnose problem. In addition, you have worked to find out what foods and products will set off the loose stools. Undoubtedly, being a retired nurse has given you some insight and investigative skills.

You mentioned that you had your gallbladder out 40 years ago. Did this problem start at that time?

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I have over production of bile. I also have problems unaware i soiled my self. I am now taking collestipol 1gm in am and if I go out I take another. My problem started 10 years ago. I had my gallbladder out 40 years ago. I hate jt. But the medicine helps. I also know what foods set me off. I had to do my own research and come up with the diagnosis. Very frustrating when doctors do not help. I am retired nurse had never heard of this condition. I wear pads when I go places. Always carry xtra stuff. But I am thankful for the meds. Maybe try and see if it would work for you . It can. Constipate though but I find that better then standing in the middle of a store with poop running down my legs. Also sorbitol, malitol etc causes diahrea. I hate this condition.

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Could you have IBS? Your sensitivity to sorbitol etc is one of the symptoms of that condition—along with Intolerances of many other foods and their contents.

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