Inverse relation between sleep and PMR symptoms
I am tapering prednisone, currently at 10 or 11 mg. I observe that when I sleep poorly (up for part of the night, or rising at 4:30) my PMR pain and stiffness is reduced in the morning. If I only get up once or twice for the bathroom but sleep OK, it will be a bad morning: more discomfort, more fatigue. (The sleep issues existed before the PMR and prednisone.) Is this common? Symptoms increase with more overnight inactivity?
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@caroljeand
Thank you for validating that for me. Its crazy when you have so many around you that you know think you're fine and have to be faking it, you end up starting to question yourself. Like, am I a wimp and can't take it?? I broke my thumb, got it casted and skied the next day with socks over my cast. I work through pain so I know I'm not a wimp.
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4 Reactions@wendy517
You are welcome. I was recently diagnosed and am terrified about the future. It’s not my lifestyle to be sedentary.
This condition is so unpredictable that that in itself causes stress for me. I saw what my mother went through with it decades ago. I guess we hit the lottery with only one half of one percent in the US having this.
Best wishes for your recovery, whatever that means for us. 🙏🏻
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@wendy517 It is a real eye opener when we sign up for all the aflictions we have on the site. When you put it together and go "Wow!" You stay strong, too. You are not alone.
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3 Reactions@bulper Thanks so much. Will get both.
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1 Reaction@dadcue thank you so much for your comment on the difference between the transgeminal neuralgia pain and GCA I have TN and TMJ so was very concerned I would get GCA pain and not realize it. The prednisone prescribed for my PMR has helped alot with the TN. Thanks again, helpful info.
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2 Reactions@rhonna
The prednisone prescribed for PMR made my TN attacks somewhat tolerable. Those electric shocks to my face--I called them "zaps" ---were an indication that my "systemic inflammation" level from PMR was getting dangerously high. I only needed to count the zaps I got in an hour to know when I needed more prednisone. When single zaps of electricity started to happen in pairs and triplets it was only a matter of time before prolonged facial electrocution was going to happen if I didn't significantly increase my prednisone dose.
I was thinking PMR was a blessing because I could take prednisone prescribed for PMR and also use it for TN flares. The sad part was taking prednisone for TN only delayed the surgical intervention that was needed. I don't know how I ever thought prednisone was helping me cope with TN when surgery could have prevented the facial electricity at least 10 years sooner.
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5 Reactions@dadcue thank you fir your comment. My TN is not so bad yet however, my doctor said she can prescribe something. Those other medications have long term affects, so if it gets too bad, I will now consider surgery. I did not know that was an option. Thanks for sharing.
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1 Reaction@rhonna
TN has many causes. It is associated with some autoimmune conditions but not PMR or any of the other autoimmune disorders that I have.
https://www.facepain.org/blog/medical-causes-of-facial-painpart-ii/
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My initial TN attacks were severe and extremely stressful. TN started shortly after I was diagnosed with my first autoimmune conditions which were reactive arthritis (ReA) with uveitis. The zaps of electricity were near my left eye so I reported the zaps to my ophthalmologist. My ophthalmologist knew exactly what my zaps of electricity were and referred me to a neurologist.
The neurologist said it was "classical TN" but could not find anything that was causing it. That was a long time ago and CT scans and MRIs were still new technology. In any case, my TN didn't respond well to medical treatment. The medications the neurologist offered me only made TN worse. However, prednisone worked reasonably well but the neurologist said TN wasn't treated with prednisone. I decided to use prednisone anyway and later I decided that I didn't need a neurologist.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9727472/
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TN is known to get progressively worse. I can only say surgery for TN is usually the best option if they can find where the problem is. We are talking about extremely small areas and the surgery itself is called Microscopic Vascular Decompression (MVD) surgery.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11724535/
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MVD surgery requires navigating an incredibly small and delicate space at the base of the brainstem. A high-resolution FIESTA MRI scan is often done first. Even with this scan, the neurosurgeon can't always trust what the report says. My neurosurgeon said he was looking for one thing and found something entirely different. He had never seen my particular problem ever before. Under the circumstances ... my neurosurgeon said he did the best that he could. He actually said I should ask God for answers to any of my questions because he didn't know why it happened. He did concede that Prednisone was probably helping to alleviate my TN pain so I felt vindicated to some degree. While TN is primarily caused by nerve compression rather than inflammation, steroids can reduce localized swelling around the nerve root, briefly taking some pressure off the nerve.
Medical conditions that we humans have can get extremely complicated. I guess God will explain it to me someday.
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1 ReactionThe more I research PMR and learn about all the other medical stuff surrounding it, my TN etc. The more I marvel at the human body. My MRI's to determine a suspected neuological problem revealed alot of otherbidduescwith my spine that I was totally unaware of as I have a high pain tolerance. Thank-you for sharing the details of you TN treatment. Are you in the States by chance? I am in Ontario Canada and our process for diagnosis and treatment is different sometimes. Thanks again, happy weekend!
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