Decipher score

Posted by ginger38314 @ginger38314, 4 days ago

Well my decipher score came in at .86 so with 2 3+4 cores 10% and 30%component of 4, I see Urology surgeon on 8/28 and will opt for surgery, also epe was 20-40 % and said unlikely seminal vessels were 0-20% and lymph nodes 0-20%. Just was hoping for a low score and no such luck.

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I believe so the cancer center I'm going to is ohsu and is #1 in Oregon for
cancer treatment.

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@ginger38314
Not sure you have talked to her, but OHSU has a fantastic GU oncologist doctor Eleni Efstathiou.

I know a few people that have used her and all of them liked her a lot.

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@ginger38314
Not sure you have talked to her, but OHSU has a fantastic GU oncologist doctor Eleni Efstathiou.

I know a few people that have used her and all of them liked her a lot.

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Thanks Jeff, you did mention that and She does work at that office. Also
still considering adt 6 months orgovyx plus 5 sbrt treatments will see how
pet scan turns out, hopefully with the low volume and high decipher score
it's clear.

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Sorry to hear about your situation. Last year, I found myself in a very similar situation. My biopsy showed Gleason 3+4 cancer in only 1 of 18 cores, but my Decipher score was 0.75. So, although the cancer was very low volume, the genomic testing suggested more aggressive biology.

I initially considered radiation because I was attracted to the idea of avoiding surgery and its potential side effects. However, I already had significant urinary symptoms from an enlarged prostate and overactive bladder. After discussing both options with my surgeon and a radiation oncologist, they confirmed my concern that radiation could potentially worsen those pre-existing urinary problems. That ultimately tipped the balance in favor of surgery for me.

My final pathology, unfortunately, showed pT3b disease with seminal vesicle invasion (SVI), extracapsular extension (EPE), and other adverse features.

At the one-year mark, four consecutive PSA tests have remained undetectable, which is very encouraging. However, given my adverse pathology and genomic risk, I remain on BCR watch, with a plan to consider ultra-early or early salvage treatment if and when my PSA reaches a predetermined threshold, such as 0.1 or 0.2.

In the meantime, I’ve also adopted a strict “anti-cancer” nutrition plan in the hope of reducing the risk of recurrence or, at a minimum, slowing disease progression.

Although my PSA results have been very encouraging so far, I have unfortunately developed significant incontinence as a side effect of the surgery. It has not improved despite being diligent with pelvic floor exercises.

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Sorry to hear about your situation. Last year, I found myself in a very similar situation. My biopsy showed Gleason 3+4 cancer in only 1 of 18 cores, but my Decipher score was 0.75. So, although the cancer was very low volume, the genomic testing suggested more aggressive biology.

I initially considered radiation because I was attracted to the idea of avoiding surgery and its potential side effects. However, I already had significant urinary symptoms from an enlarged prostate and overactive bladder. After discussing both options with my surgeon and a radiation oncologist, they confirmed my concern that radiation could potentially worsen those pre-existing urinary problems. That ultimately tipped the balance in favor of surgery for me.

My final pathology, unfortunately, showed pT3b disease with seminal vesicle invasion (SVI), extracapsular extension (EPE), and other adverse features.

At the one-year mark, four consecutive PSA tests have remained undetectable, which is very encouraging. However, given my adverse pathology and genomic risk, I remain on BCR watch, with a plan to consider ultra-early or early salvage treatment if and when my PSA reaches a predetermined threshold, such as 0.1 or 0.2.

In the meantime, I’ve also adopted a strict “anti-cancer” nutrition plan in the hope of reducing the risk of recurrence or, at a minimum, slowing disease progression.

Although my PSA results have been very encouraging so far, I have unfortunately developed significant incontinence as a side effect of the surgery. It has not improved despite being diligent with pelvic floor exercises.

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Hi @soli,

Thank you for sharing your story, and I am sorry for what you've been going
through.

I am currently waiting for a PET scan and am heavily leaning toward SBRT (5
treatments) along with 6 months of Orgovyx to offset my Decipher score. My
MRI showed no invasion, but I am very concerned about post-surgery
outcomes, especially since a high Decipher score doubles the risk of
adverse pathology to roughly 40%. I just turned 69 and currently have no
urinary issues, so hearing your experience is very helpful.

Best regards,
Scott

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Sorry to hear about your situation. Last year, I found myself in a very similar situation. My biopsy showed Gleason 3+4 cancer in only 1 of 18 cores, but my Decipher score was 0.75. So, although the cancer was very low volume, the genomic testing suggested more aggressive biology.

I initially considered radiation because I was attracted to the idea of avoiding surgery and its potential side effects. However, I already had significant urinary symptoms from an enlarged prostate and overactive bladder. After discussing both options with my surgeon and a radiation oncologist, they confirmed my concern that radiation could potentially worsen those pre-existing urinary problems. That ultimately tipped the balance in favor of surgery for me.

My final pathology, unfortunately, showed pT3b disease with seminal vesicle invasion (SVI), extracapsular extension (EPE), and other adverse features.

At the one-year mark, four consecutive PSA tests have remained undetectable, which is very encouraging. However, given my adverse pathology and genomic risk, I remain on BCR watch, with a plan to consider ultra-early or early salvage treatment if and when my PSA reaches a predetermined threshold, such as 0.1 or 0.2.

In the meantime, I’ve also adopted a strict “anti-cancer” nutrition plan in the hope of reducing the risk of recurrence or, at a minimum, slowing disease progression.

Although my PSA results have been very encouraging so far, I have unfortunately developed significant incontinence as a side effect of the surgery. It has not improved despite being diligent with pelvic floor exercises.

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Did you do a pet scan?

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Sorry to hear about your situation. Last year, I found myself in a very similar situation. My biopsy showed Gleason 3+4 cancer in only 1 of 18 cores, but my Decipher score was 0.75. So, although the cancer was very low volume, the genomic testing suggested more aggressive biology.

I initially considered radiation because I was attracted to the idea of avoiding surgery and its potential side effects. However, I already had significant urinary symptoms from an enlarged prostate and overactive bladder. After discussing both options with my surgeon and a radiation oncologist, they confirmed my concern that radiation could potentially worsen those pre-existing urinary problems. That ultimately tipped the balance in favor of surgery for me.

My final pathology, unfortunately, showed pT3b disease with seminal vesicle invasion (SVI), extracapsular extension (EPE), and other adverse features.

At the one-year mark, four consecutive PSA tests have remained undetectable, which is very encouraging. However, given my adverse pathology and genomic risk, I remain on BCR watch, with a plan to consider ultra-early or early salvage treatment if and when my PSA reaches a predetermined threshold, such as 0.1 or 0.2.

In the meantime, I’ve also adopted a strict “anti-cancer” nutrition plan in the hope of reducing the risk of recurrence or, at a minimum, slowing disease progression.

Although my PSA results have been very encouraging so far, I have unfortunately developed significant incontinence as a side effect of the surgery. It has not improved despite being diligent with pelvic floor exercises.

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Also how long did it take you to get finally treated? It's been going on 9
months since my elevated psa of 5 after retest now since high decipher
score I feel more urgency to treat it.

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Did you do a pet scan?

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@ginger38314
Your pet scan will find two golden retrievers?

If you do start taking orgovyx it will stop any cancer you have from growing and spreading. That’s why it makes sense to do it if it’s going to be a while before you have treatment and you’ve got high risk. ADT can actually shrink the metastasis.

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Also how long did it take you to get finally treated? It's been going on 9
months since my elevated psa of 5 after retest now since high decipher
score I feel more urgency to treat it.

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@ginger38314
My MRI in early March 2025 identified two PI-RADS 4 lesions and one PI-RADS 5 lesion. A PET scan at the end of March 2025 identified two foci of Pylarify uptake within the prostate, consistent with the MRI findings, but nothing elsewhere.

A biopsy in May 2025 found Gleason 3+4 cancer in only 1 of 18 cores. A GPS test in June 2025 came back at 47, indicating a high genomic risk.

I underwent surgery in early September 2025. The final pathology showed pT3b disease with seminal vesicle invasion (SVI), lymphovascular invasion (LVI), and perineural invasion (PNI). My Decipher score subsequently came back at 0.75.

So, my prostatectomy took place within about six months of the concerning MRI findings. Given the aggressive biology of your cancer, I can certainly understand your view that, in your situation, moving toward treatment sooner rather than later may be the better approach.

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Hi @soli,

Thank you for sharing your story, and I am sorry for what you've been going
through.

I am currently waiting for a PET scan and am heavily leaning toward SBRT (5
treatments) along with 6 months of Orgovyx to offset my Decipher score. My
MRI showed no invasion, but I am very concerned about post-surgery
outcomes, especially since a high Decipher score doubles the risk of
adverse pathology to roughly 40%. I just turned 69 and currently have no
urinary issues, so hearing your experience is very helpful.

Best regards,
Scott

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@ginger38314 wrote " I am very concerned about post-surgery outcomes, especially since a high Decipher score doubles the risk of adverse pathology to roughly 40%"

Do you have a source for that statement?

Also, "adverse pathology" can mean different things in different contexts. In the post-RALP pathology, it can refer to a range of histological features (e.g., cribriform, IDC-P, LVI) or to different types of observed local spread (e.g., SVI, EPE, lymph nodes).

Radiotherapy does not necessarily address all of these better than surgery, so I'd suggest caution in how you're interpreting what you're reading, and discussion with a medical oncologist when you have questions.

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@ginger38314
Your pet scan will find two golden retrievers?

If you do start taking orgovyx it will stop any cancer you have from growing and spreading. That’s why it makes sense to do it if it’s going to be a while before you have treatment and you’ve got high risk. ADT can actually shrink the metastasis.

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I asked the oncologist that today when can I start the adt and hasn't got
back to me. Thanks

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