Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain
When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.
Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.
I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.
You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.
Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.
Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?
Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.
Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?
Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?
Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?
Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.
Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.
John
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@ray666 I did get a few rounds of gel shots and cortisone shots a few weeks apart. The get shots did help a little the first time around. Six months later, another attempt and did not help as much. On third attempt, no help at all. No gel shots for past 5 or 6 years.
@ray666 Ray - I did not look online. Did you put one strip inside the knee and one around outside? What surprised me was the almost instant relief from the strip and in full disclosure, I have nothing to do with the company. I doubt you will experience pain free as I found these to help in pain reduction. I leave mine on until they start to unravel and then put on replacements. Ed
@njed Ed– I imagine that's why the orthopedic MA stopped suggesting gel shots for me: diminishing returns, or diminishing positive effect. My last gel shot was a couple of years ago. It's been cortisone every 6-months since then. With the cortisone, too, I experience diminishing returns. Or it my be my PT workout. If I'm tough on my knees, I have a minmal ache. If I lay off the PT for a few days, my knees feel fine––so maybe te cortisone still has its good results. Can't be sure. –Ray
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1 Reaction@njed Hi, Ed– I'm just learning. I did the full knee taping (a big X), following the video. I think you're right: it's "relief," not "pain=free." I took a shower ealier and put a fresh X on, and I can definitely say I'm getting "relief"––ang Hurrah! for that. 🙂 –Ray
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Now it's Good Afternoon, Ray - how wonderful you are noticing some relief! When I was using them on my shoulder (this is a loose translation here; they were being used on my shoulder -- I myself couldn't use them - they had to be positioned on me by my therapist because that shoulder was/is out of reach!) it was interesting, because the person who somehow had "the touch" in this was a student P.T. who was completing her internship prior to graduation. She could nail it every time but if my appointment happened to be on her day off and my actual therapist (who is an incredibly gifted myokinesthetist) put the strips on, the effect almost never reached the perfection of her assistant's, and she gave her high marks for this skill she recognized as being superior to her own. All this to say, some days you may hit the mark better than others, maybe with the stretch a little tighter or the placement on your knee corresponding more exactly where it should be, or who knows what. Also, we never stop learning, do we? Someone somewhere may have found a technique that enhances the outcome even more, so as you say, onward and upward!!
So very happy for you and that pesky knee! Barb (@bjk3)
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1 Reaction@ray666 Yep - I felt any relief without medication is a plus. I did not do the X I put one along inside of knee and one wrap around outside. Need to figure out what works best for specific purpose.
@njed I'll try a different wrap each time until I find the one that works best. These are the tutorial videos I'm going by: https://www.kttape.com/pages/knees
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1 Reaction@bjk3 Barb–– It's fun to try these KT strips. As I mentioned to Ed, I'm going to try a different arrangement of the strips until I find what works best. And now I have to scoot. I have to straighten up this place some. Since I've got a new PT coming tomorrow … want to make a good impression! My old PT got used to my place. He'd just move the breakfast things aside and, if he had to, pick up my cat and say, "Scat, cat!" ––Ray (@ray666)
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