Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain
When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.
Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.
I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.
You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.
Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.
Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?
Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.
Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?
Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?
Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?
Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.
Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.
John
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@johnbishop– I'll have to see how my chat with the orthopedist goes. He was set to do a TKR in June, but I opted out because I didn't want to do the at-home rehab in the summer heat. I don't have a.c. or a swamp cooler in my place. I know I'm faced with having to do something about my cranky knee. It keeps me from going all-out at PT. Rest assured, if I can do it, I'm going to make happy helpmate out of my new Sanddune Stepper! 🙂 –Ray
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2 Reactions@njed– I'm glad you mentioned the KT strips just now! I'm about to place an online order for groceries, etc., and I'll order the strips. Thank you, Ed! –Ray
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Hi, Ray -- such a good suggestion from @njed. Those strips, if placed correctly, are a godsend. When I was the recipient of these little miracles, my myokinesthetist was super careful about the way (direction, mainly) that she placed them. I'm wondering if you might get some helpful advice online (Mayo Orthopedics?) about how to get the biggest bang for the buck? Cheers! ~~ Barb
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1 Reaction@ray666 Ray, on the subject of the TKR. I went to an orthopedic knee/hip surgeon a Rothman Institute, rather large out here along east coast. They would not do knee replacement on either knee because of my PN, risk of falling, poor balance. So, I went to a local surgeon, he said same thing. The best the surgeon will do is cortisone shots every 6 months, not sooner due to risk of osteoporosis which is a real bummer. Wish you success if your go forward with TKR.
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2 Reactions@bjk3 Thanks for that tip, Barb! I will ask around. I do have some of those strips arriving later today. –Ray (@ray666)
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2 Reactions@njed Honestly, Ed? I'm not eager to get a TKR. I was surprised my orthopedist said he'd do it, although he laid out a long list of "conditions," chief among them, a friend would need to be with me 24/7 for the first 10 days. Thinking I might go ahead with a TKR (which was last summer), I enlisted the willingness of one of best buddies to move in with me for the requisite 10 days. However, now I'm thinking I'll just stick with my twice-a-year cortisone shots. I've been doing those shots for a couple of years now. I appreciate your take on this topic, Ed. Thank you! –Ray (@ray666)
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2 ReactionsMy KT strips will be arriving shortly (@bjk3). I see the manufacturer has an array of easy-to-follow videos, some especially for knees. I'll follow those when I apply my first set of strips. Since you mentioned it this morning, Ed (@njed), I've been thinking more and more about that TKR, and more and more I'm thinking I'll stick to my cortisone shots (stick? a pun?). I've also gotten gel shots. Ever have those, Ed? Both––cortisone and gel––seem to work for a while, then not so much. But, the way I'm thinking right now, I'll settle for a little "not so much" than the rehab + PN risk of alling that would come with a TKR. On we go, eh? On we go, so long as there's a wall near by that we can run our fingertips along. 🙂 –Cheers, everyone! Ray (@ray666)
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Hi, Ray ~Between what you've shared and what multiple surgeons have told @njed, plus my own fear of ever landing in rehab/pt hospitalization again, I'm inclined to think your reluctance to do the TKR is wisdom.
I don't do the fingertips along the wall move so much as actually tip over into it. Glad to have a smaller home we downsized into some 19 years ago! There's a handy wall almost always at my fingertips. 😉
Let us know how those strips work for you - glad you have some instruction specifically for knees. I found they alleviated a lot of shoulder pain when they were intentionally placed. Cheers! Barb
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Hi, Barb– Well, I have my knee KT'd. I was able to make a nice X just like in the video. So, we shall see. I'll keep you posted. Regarding TKR, I've pretty much decided not to pursue it. It may actually come as a relief to my orthopedic doc when I tell him. I've known him for quite some years, and I know he's not a surgery-happy doc; he'd do a TKR for me if I asked for one, but something tells he'll be relieved I'm willing to hobble on through life with another TKR. (With the tape on my knee, the knee feels "warm." A comfortable warm. It actually feels "nice.")
Here's wishing you a happy, happy, happy weekend, Barb!
Ray (@ray666)
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Good morning, Barb– I had thought I'd be giving updates on using my new Sanddune Stepper, but here I am giving an update on KT strips. (For anyone reading this: I'm an 81-year-old male whose large-fiber PN gives me awful balance and who also has an arthritic knee, complicating PT to address my poor balance.) I applied the KT strips late yesterday afternoon for the first time and enjoyed an almost pain-free (knee) evening. I'm not hollering, Cure! I'm around the block too many times to be that foolish. Last night, I slept with strips still on. This morning, I thought I was still pain-free; not quite: I can feel a twinge in my knee. Note: I said a twinge, not pain. To call what I'm feeling pain would be an insult. 🙂 So, are the KT strips helping? Possibly. The jury is still out. I don't expect the jury to come bak in for several days. When it does, I'll give you another update. –Cheers! Ray (@ray666)