Post Prostatectomy 6 years. PSA <.01 until now. Anyone else?
I have been fortunate enough to experience PSA results of <.01 post prostatectomy. Now, at the 6 year mark, I have had a result of .02. I realize this is not a huge amount, however, wondering if anyone else has had this experience and what to expect going forward. I was very high risk at T3b, SVI, ECE, PSA 11, PNI, 4 +3. Wondering if I should expect a rapid increase now that it has reared it's ugly head? I have been very blessed so far. I would appreciate hearing from anyone else who has had similar experience. Thank you. Tom
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@billfarm
My wife says we live from one PSA test to the next. It is less than pleasant for sure. Lots of anxiety. Sounds like you have had some fluctuating going on. Unfortunately; they need to follow a 'trend' which means only time will tell for any of us. Thanks for the comment. You keep strong as well.
@melvinw
Thanks, I had to look up fossa, which just seems to be the empty space prostate was at. Then another surprise was they did anything with PSA of just .11. I thought they ignored anything less than .2 PSA. I guess it was the combination of the two (PSA and DRE) that made them check further. Sounds like a good idea and glad they found yours earlier than just waiting on a PSA to get to .2.
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Guess I am way behind, before my long time PCP retired the DRE was done even on my Wellness test. Actually his wellness visit was a full physical, not like today when they just talk to you. Then I found this on a Google search:
(DREs) are generally not recommended by major U.S. health organizations like the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force as a standalone or primary screening test for prostate cancer due to a lack of evidence proving a net benefit compared to blood tests.
@diverjer
Latest news from Australia is that they have stopped doing DRE completely.
The blood tests and CT and pet scans Have made it unnecessary.
@diverjer
If you’re over 65 and on Medicare, then the annual physical is really no longer an annual physical. As you have found out, they talk to you, maybe give you some blood tests. Real disappointed to find this out a couple years ago. Almost makes it worthless to go, as long as you can complain about everything wrong that happens and get a response.
That is for sure, but my PCP I had for around 30 years would still do complete physical for my wellness.
Now they give me 3 words to remember and draw a clock with time of 10 minutes after 11. Its a circle they want me to draw the time in. I have thought about drawing a rectangle in the middle of the circle and draw a digital reading of 10 minutes after 11. I doubt he would see the humor in that?
@diverjer
That’s a test to figure out whether or not you have dementia, Or at least leading up to dementia.
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1 ReactionI am just going on my experience (career) as the Director of Clinical and Anatomical Laboratory services in hospitals and one reference (outside, non-hospital) Lab. Generally speaking, any test result that shows a >10% variance from a prior test result is "clinically significant"...there is clinical causation. Our Laboratory Information Systems ("LIS"...a.k.a. "Lab computers) catch unexpected results.
That said, literally every test that is measured quantitatively, whether in grams, milligrams, micrograms, or picograms, has a lower level of detection determined when the assay is being set up in the Lab. Just as linearity measures how high the assay can accurately measure elevated upper-end results, the lower end of that is measuring "how low" can this assay accurately detect and measure the analyte (chemical), and done so with acceptable "precision" (reproducibility), and accuracy without false positives or negatives.
In their "practice" of the "art" of medicine, physicians, or subspecialty groups, decide at what level of change they will take action. While I agree that we are talking about unbelievably small quantities, any "doubling" of a test result is in fact a 100% increase, and again, there is clinical causation that exceeds any random variation in the testing and instrument on which out is tested. That result needs to be investigated. Before they reported the result, the lab already did investigate it...their computer system has the prior results for that patient, and if there is a "clinically significant" increase (or decrease for other tests), they will repeat that test to verify it has in fact doubled (in this case) or increased beyond 10%. Each test report will have "canned comments" print out on the test report as to the significance of that result and its variance to the previous result(s). It is up to each physician as to how they will respond to the clinical information provided by the Lab.
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3 Reactions@rlpostrp
Ah, yes, common sense. Gets lost sometimes in the shuffle. I did a parallel test with Lab Corp and it returned 0.015. Equivalent to the .02 if they rounded up. In my layman's opinion any movement in the PSA is cause for concern. This number has doubled (nearly) in a 3 month period regardless of the small amount. If it does the same going forward, it will move very quickly to a BCR situation. Not a fluke when 2 labs are reporting. Thank you for your informed reply.
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1 ReactionAre the decimal point in the right place with no zeros? On line 3 especially? Just a bit confusing. Thx.