Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain

Posted by John, Volunteer Mentor @johnbishop, Sep 10, 2020

When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.

Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.

I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.

You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.

Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.

Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?

Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.

Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?

Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?

Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?

Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.

Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.

John

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Well Ray, I was dx’d back in ‘99. I went on permanent disability just 5 years ago. My entire right side of my body is numb, with no pain.

I have a Peleton that I’ve been riding for over 5 years now; and I’m back down to my high school weight (30+ years after).

Peleton’s are not cheap, but boy oh boy are they ever worth it! Not sure how much a health club is per month now days, but mine is right here in my house (only $49 or so)!

Bur either way Peleton and it community of instructors has been fun to get to know. Might even venture up to NY to take a live class in the future!

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@ray666 Hi Ray - Please keep us informed on how you make out with the Sanddune Stepper. Since we have very similar symptoms due to PN, I might also decide to go ahead and purchase. However, if you post that you ended up in the ER, then I might just sit back and give it a second consideration. The idea that John suggested poles might not be a bad idea! Ed

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@njed Hello, Ed– I can just hear them as I'm rolled into the ER: "We've got another case of Sanddune Stepper!" // I'll heed John's advice about trekking poles. Honestly? To start out, I think I'll just hang on to my trusty kitchen counter. 🙂 // How've you been, Ed? I'm feeling pretty well. I am sooo glad I began working with my CBT therapist! It's been a real godsend. –Ray (@ray666)

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Well Ray, I was dx’d back in ‘99. I went on permanent disability just 5 years ago. My entire right side of my body is numb, with no pain.

I have a Peleton that I’ve been riding for over 5 years now; and I’m back down to my high school weight (30+ years after).

Peleton’s are not cheap, but boy oh boy are they ever worth it! Not sure how much a health club is per month now days, but mine is right here in my house (only $49 or so)!

Bur either way Peleton and it community of instructors has been fun to get to know. Might even venture up to NY to take a live class in the future!

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Hello, @taddwms9. Thank you for your suggestions. I'd happily consider a Peloton––and begin saving to buy one––but one thing I'd have to do first is make room for it. I've a reasonably spacious house, but it is already all gunked up with all sorts of exercise equipment. 🙂 Friends kid me, saying, "You've got yourself one damn fine gymnasium, Ray!" I'll keep a Peleton in mind, however, as I need to do some serious un-gunking anyway. All the best to you, @taddwms9! –Cheers! Ray (@ray666)

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@njed Hello, Ed– I can just hear them as I'm rolled into the ER: "We've got another case of Sanddune Stepper!" // I'll heed John's advice about trekking poles. Honestly? To start out, I think I'll just hang on to my trusty kitchen counter. 🙂 // How've you been, Ed? I'm feeling pretty well. I am sooo glad I began working with my CBT therapist! It's been a real godsend. –Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666 Glad to hear CBT therapist working out. I too have used my kitchen counter as a source of stability. Good idea to start out using the counter. I'm doing OK, wish the balance was doing better but that's all part of this lousy disease. Like you, using the cane more and more. Keeps me out of the ER!!

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@ray666 Glad to hear CBT therapist working out. I too have used my kitchen counter as a source of stability. Good idea to start out using the counter. I'm doing OK, wish the balance was doing better but that's all part of this lousy disease. Like you, using the cane more and more. Keeps me out of the ER!!

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@njed I've good walking days and not-so-good walking days, and what I find most mysterious of all, only PARTS of any given day are when my balance is extra-poor. I may be in denial about how our disease progresses, but I have consoled myself saying, "Oh, it's just this relentess heat!" And it may be, I know I'm a little extra-leg weary come the end of one of those mysterious "mixed" balance days. –Ray (@ray666)

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@njed I've good walking days and not-so-good walking days, and what I find most mysterious of all, only PARTS of any given day are when my balance is extra-poor. I may be in denial about how our disease progresses, but I have consoled myself saying, "Oh, it's just this relentess heat!" And it may be, I know I'm a little extra-leg weary come the end of one of those mysterious "mixed" balance days. –Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666 After 11 years of this damn thing, I have come to the conclusion that PN can be exhausting. Those in pain are constantly fighting the effects of that and those without pain are fighting the dilemma of how to stay upright on two feet with numbness and poor balance. I have good times of the day as well, but I find that at the end of the day, my balance is worse. I suppose we start out the day with so much energy, and the key is to spread out the energy throughout the day, so we make it through the day maintaining the best balance we can. There are so many mysteries about PN we'll never know.

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@ray666 After 11 years of this damn thing, I have come to the conclusion that PN can be exhausting. Those in pain are constantly fighting the effects of that and those without pain are fighting the dilemma of how to stay upright on two feet with numbness and poor balance. I have good times of the day as well, but I find that at the end of the day, my balance is worse. I suppose we start out the day with so much energy, and the key is to spread out the energy throughout the day, so we make it through the day maintaining the best balance we can. There are so many mysteries about PN we'll never know.

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@njed My balance is definitely worse later in the day. Say, for example, right now it is 8 AM, and my legs feel fine, and my balance is pretty good. As the day progresses, almost regardless of how up & about I've been, my legs will grow more and more fatigued, and taking care not to lose my balance will become more and more a thought uppermost in my mind. I try rationing my leg strength and fair balance, especially if there's something planned for the evening, like going out to have dinner with a friend, but more often not I find that my rationing has been to no avail and I'm as leg weary and wobbly as ever. –Ray (@ray666)

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@njed My balance is definitely worse later in the day. Say, for example, right now it is 8 AM, and my legs feel fine, and my balance is pretty good. As the day progresses, almost regardless of how up & about I've been, my legs will grow more and more fatigued, and taking care not to lose my balance will become more and more a thought uppermost in my mind. I try rationing my leg strength and fair balance, especially if there's something planned for the evening, like going out to have dinner with a friend, but more often not I find that my rationing has been to no avail and I'm as leg weary and wobbly as ever. –Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666 Yes, you are 100% correct. Need to figure out plans for the day and not use up all energy early on. My worse time for balance is in the evenings. The numbness remains the same, just the quality of balance declines.

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I'm new here. SFN since i was 29 years old when I got ITP an autoimmune that attacks blood platelets. Treated with prednisone and responded well but was left with burning feet. Tolerable until 7 years ago when I turned 60 and one night the burning went from tolerable to unbearable. Have only been offered gabapentin etc. Looking to see if anyone has had success with supplements for the burning.

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@paras this will sound crazy but I put castor oil on my feet and cotton socks on and then plastic bags over feet cuz the castor oil stains. I reuse socks each night so kind of gross keep them in bag. The relief was amazing and I was able to sleep all night. It is a hassle but well worth it. Hope you try it. Some rub castor oil on several times a day for circulation aid. Best of health.

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Hello, @taddwms9. Thank you for your suggestions. I'd happily consider a Peloton––and begin saving to buy one––but one thing I'd have to do first is make room for it. I've a reasonably spacious house, but it is already all gunked up with all sorts of exercise equipment. 🙂 Friends kid me, saying, "You've got yourself one damn fine gymnasium, Ray!" I'll keep a Peleton in mind, however, as I need to do some serious un-gunking anyway. All the best to you, @taddwms9! –Cheers! Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666 thanks for the kind reply Ray! Wish us luck de-gunking your in-house gymnasium! Cheers to you sir!

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