First Kevzara injection at 3 wks

Posted by reub4 @reub4, 6 days ago

I have successfully gotten off of prednisone and have taken 10 months of Kevzara. I have had virtually no symptoms over the last 2 months while on 14 day interval Kevzara injections. This wk I had my first
“21 day” Kevzara injection. Within 2 hours I experienced a panic attach followed by 5-6 hours of severe depression.
What’s up- I never have panic attacks and am rarey depressed and never have had any severe depressive episodes. I don’t see my Dr for another month.
Looking for answers
Reuben

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@stonewheel and all... Yes, the flare is definitely improved. I couldn't be typing or thinking well otherwise. I can now spend some time up doing daily small chores-feeding cat, cleaning litter - usually, fixing breakfast and cleaning dishes... those kinds of small everyday chores. Some days they are done piecemeal, others I can do most at once. Just depends on these crazy muscles and such. The pain is always there, but much reduced and controlled by Prednisone, not entirely.

Today, I awoke with intestinal problems from nowhere! Fun! So, my usual morning dose I take at 5-7 each morning I just took, at 1 p.m. My tummy would have rebelled and man, I am truly feeling the difference. I am hurting like crazy, heavy pain increase and muscle freezing. I waited too long I think so am paying the price... Hips, shoulders, back and all my arthritis in arms and hands, neck are yelling pretty loudly right now.

Apparently, I have, maybe this is normal for those going on Kevzara, PMR that doesn't respond to Prednisone anymore and needs more consistently to help with symptoms? I think that's the criteria for this treatment? I just realized the Kevzara will replace Prednisone to control the flare symptoms, without the heavy dependency and side effects. I thought it was a temporary medication to get us off Prednisone. I'm happy to stay on Kevzara if it works which it appears to. What side effects have you experienced? You mentioned having to go from 2 to 3 week shots... what was the reason for that change?

I know it may take a year or so to get the symptoms controlled after beginning tapering Prednisone after the Kevzara begins working, 3+ months or so. That's fine with me. I don't mind if it helps! With this disease, as with most I've experienced, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to improve my health. What side effects do we see, other than serious infections... perhaps some low blood pressure? Yes, too many questions. I spent time last night researching on Perplexity and began to wrap my head around this treatment. I only heard about it a week or so ago, so it's quite a surprise and gives me hope I had lost.

I am actually very pleased to be off a lot of heavy meds. It took me 3 years working with a very special dear Mayo physician to taper off Gabapantine, Lyrica, Hydrocortisone, Oxycodone, even 800 mg Ibuprofen 4X daily... and some anxiety drugs as well. Tapered gradually off every one of the heavy drugs I was taking for years, begging the doctors to reduce or remove them from my list. No one was willing to invest the time or effort to help me do that. I experienced brain fog, personality changes, intestinal issues and other side effects. What a joy to finally be off these chemicals that may well be the underlying cause of some of my current health issues. Too many chemicals!

Thanks for your input. I anticipate good results. Think it forward! Boy, I am hurting. Shows my dependency on Prednisone. Chat later. Blessings. Eliazabeth

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@ess77 keep asking, nagging, chasing…..as everyone here says, you are your own best advocate……you can do this!

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@stonewheel and all... Yes, the flare is definitely improved. I couldn't be typing or thinking well otherwise. I can now spend some time up doing daily small chores-feeding cat, cleaning litter - usually, fixing breakfast and cleaning dishes... those kinds of small everyday chores. Some days they are done piecemeal, others I can do most at once. Just depends on these crazy muscles and such. The pain is always there, but much reduced and controlled by Prednisone, not entirely.

Today, I awoke with intestinal problems from nowhere! Fun! So, my usual morning dose I take at 5-7 each morning I just took, at 1 p.m. My tummy would have rebelled and man, I am truly feeling the difference. I am hurting like crazy, heavy pain increase and muscle freezing. I waited too long I think so am paying the price... Hips, shoulders, back and all my arthritis in arms and hands, neck are yelling pretty loudly right now.

Apparently, I have, maybe this is normal for those going on Kevzara, PMR that doesn't respond to Prednisone anymore and needs more consistently to help with symptoms? I think that's the criteria for this treatment? I just realized the Kevzara will replace Prednisone to control the flare symptoms, without the heavy dependency and side effects. I thought it was a temporary medication to get us off Prednisone. I'm happy to stay on Kevzara if it works which it appears to. What side effects have you experienced? You mentioned having to go from 2 to 3 week shots... what was the reason for that change?

I know it may take a year or so to get the symptoms controlled after beginning tapering Prednisone after the Kevzara begins working, 3+ months or so. That's fine with me. I don't mind if it helps! With this disease, as with most I've experienced, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to improve my health. What side effects do we see, other than serious infections... perhaps some low blood pressure? Yes, too many questions. I spent time last night researching on Perplexity and began to wrap my head around this treatment. I only heard about it a week or so ago, so it's quite a surprise and gives me hope I had lost.

I am actually very pleased to be off a lot of heavy meds. It took me 3 years working with a very special dear Mayo physician to taper off Gabapantine, Lyrica, Hydrocortisone, Oxycodone, even 800 mg Ibuprofen 4X daily... and some anxiety drugs as well. Tapered gradually off every one of the heavy drugs I was taking for years, begging the doctors to reduce or remove them from my list. No one was willing to invest the time or effort to help me do that. I experienced brain fog, personality changes, intestinal issues and other side effects. What a joy to finally be off these chemicals that may well be the underlying cause of some of my current health issues. Too many chemicals!

Thanks for your input. I anticipate good results. Think it forward! Boy, I am hurting. Shows my dependency on Prednisone. Chat later. Blessings. Eliazabeth

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@ess77

Okay ... your pain medication list reveals that you have a lot going on. I don't think it is only PMR. I truly hope Kevzara will work for you. Kevzara will target PMR inflammation but Kevzara also inhibits IL-6 which effectively blocks this pro-inflammatory cytokine from triggering a systemic inflammatory cascade. I think chronic high levels of IL-6 can set off a chain reaction of inflammation. I hope Kevzara stops the chain reaction for you like Actemra (tocilizumab) did for me. I'm so happy to have reduced and ultimately to have stopped prednisone along with other medications that treated prednisone side effects. Since your pain medication list indicates there may be more underlying factors than just PMR, the IL-6 pathway block can be especially helpful in dampening widespread inflammation.

I remember when a neurosurgeon was increduluous that my pain medication list wasn't a mile long for a different problem that makes the top 10 list for the worst pain know to humanity. I confessed to the neurosurgeon that I needed to take a lot of prednisone but some surgery also helped.

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@ess77

Okay ... your pain medication list reveals that you have a lot going on. I don't think it is only PMR. I truly hope Kevzara will work for you. Kevzara will target PMR inflammation but Kevzara also inhibits IL-6 which effectively blocks this pro-inflammatory cytokine from triggering a systemic inflammatory cascade. I think chronic high levels of IL-6 can set off a chain reaction of inflammation. I hope Kevzara stops the chain reaction for you like Actemra (tocilizumab) did for me. I'm so happy to have reduced and ultimately to have stopped prednisone along with other medications that treated prednisone side effects. Since your pain medication list indicates there may be more underlying factors than just PMR, the IL-6 pathway block can be especially helpful in dampening widespread inflammation.

I remember when a neurosurgeon was increduluous that my pain medication list wasn't a mile long for a different problem that makes the top 10 list for the worst pain know to humanity. I confessed to the neurosurgeon that I needed to take a lot of prednisone but some surgery also helped.

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@dadcue and all.. Well, aren't you the super dude! Look what you were able to do for us... I'm doing so well to be online, using websites, YouTube, Perplexity, streaming, purchasing too much and enjoying what I consider being pretty darn good at the digital life I need... I get in trouble of course at times, but usually find my way out with calm determination. You are something special!

Very informative and helpful. Yes, I have a long list of junk going on. Sarcoid, Vasculitis, PMR, GCA, 3 aneurysms, heart disease, 2 small heart attacks, PE, erosive arthritis, osteoporosis, neuropathy, prednisone induced diabetes just now, after over a year, getting off insulin shots - thanks to Mounjara injections!!! Thrilling good result from that drug. After serious allergic reaction to Oxympic perhaps with covid leading to PMR... Now as of last week off all insulin I've been taking since last May after a serious high glucose event, perhaps created by Oxympic reaction, with ER, hospital, etc, hospital rehab where my legs from hips became paralyzed for 4 days, possibly due to a rare PMR flare reaction - increased Prednisone then to 20mg from 10mg holding dose. Then a month in nursing home rehab from Hell!!!! good PT from hospital rehab and NH rehab and began standing and walking with PT. Never recovered use of legs completely, partially bedridden, but did improve and was thrilled... until PMR raised it's nasty head again and here we are. Oh, 2025 was the ER year for me... above diabetes, 4 severe UTIs with 3 sepsis admissions for IV antibiotics, one lasting 5 days. PE, stroke symptoms probably result of Prednisone withdrawal...

This mean illness has a hold on my system that must be broken. I'm praying Kevzara is the answer to this one. Prednisone began at age 40 with Sarcoid. Off and on since for lung inflammations, etc. Thusly, the multiple Prednisone side effects - heart, bones, vascular system, brain fog, mood swings, depression, serious weight gain, skin thinning, and etc. T12 vertebrae repair with cement that worked!!!! multiple vertebrae issues, lumbar worse now. Hips, joints, cervical, etc. So, yep. A bunch going on and new goodies popping up regularly I am sure resulting from Prednisone and the other chemicals I was on far too long.

Several years ago, I took control and became my own advocate. Began researching and digging into everything going on to find answers, insist on care I knew was available and generally became what docs then called a 'bad patient'. A woman who asked questions, expected respect, demanded answers and open, honest discussion face to face, eye to eye, as appropriate.

What a long journey this has been. Then, did the same the last 25 years for my 57 year old disabled son with cervical dystonia, Dilaudid pain pump, severe chronic and acute nerve pain 24/7, constant muscle tightness and spasms, nerve blocks, maximum Botox injections, and a lot of love, care, patience and understanding. 25 years of fighting for his diagnosis and treatment and care and respect. Again! He lives a life of pure pain hell. Lost his life at age 35...

So, yep. This has been a long, challenging, struggle to get to this point in my health care. Stress is easily dismissed but obviously is very much part of the equation. But, even though I am truly becoming empty inside with little to give, I am still a Southern Woman with a steel spine! And a Mama Grizzly Bear!

Thanks for your wonderful insights and knowledge. Helps. Lots. I must understand to deal with the issues. Blessings, Elizabeth

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I get it!

My first dose of prednisone was at the age of 32. I took prednisone - more on than off - for 20 years until I was 52 when PMR was diagnosed. After PMR was diagnosed, I was allowed to take a rather high dose of prednisone daily for another 12 years. That was when a rheumatolgist stepped in and announced that I was "too young" at age 64 to take prednisone for the rest of my life. At the time ... I didn't think the rest of my life would be that long.

I needed to get past some fear mongering about "biologics" and people who claimed prednisone for the rest of my life would be better. In spite of all that, I started Actemra (tociliumab) more than seven years ago. Now I have been completely off prednisone for 5+ years and I'm doing well. I'm attempting to do things I wasn't able to do for a long time.

Except for a new diagnosis of cancer which is depressing ... I feel fine. I was afraid the biologic caused cancer but radiographic evidence says cancer was present before I started the biologic. I found out the type of cancer I have is "influenced" by IL-6 levels but I don't know if that is good or bad.
https://www.cell.com/trends/endocrinology-metabolism/fulltext/S1043-2760(23)00154-6
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All I know for sure was that long term prednosne use wasn't good for me. I count on making it to my 72nd birthday next month. The cancer is a slow growing variety. The oncologist says I need some treatment but it is good that I'm not on prednisone anymore. I'm more likely to die of something else instead of cancer.

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@ess77
No not fun!

I don’t take Gabapentin because of the brain fog and OCD it causes me. Lol I get stupid on it.

Yes, it takes 50-60 days to get the FULL effect of Kevzara (sarilumab) but I felt it was working sooner as I tapered rapidly to get to 10mg/day of Prednisone (from 30, when it was approved.)

The only side effects that I’ve noticed is low white blood cell count, low absolute neutrophil count (ANC) and Platelet Count. Those last two are critical to continue taking Kevzara.

The “standard” dosage of Kevzara is 200 mg and may come in a prefilled pen or in a syringe. (Mine comes in a pen, easy-peasy, and is shaped like a knife handle.)
A 150mg dosage is also available if either of the below “side-effects” occurs.

If ANC is down to 1,000 cells/mm, and stays there, then lengthening Kevzara from 2week intervals to 3weeks can be done. But ANC must be at 1,000 or more.

Between 1,000 and 500, the a lower dosage of Kevzara 150mg is prescribed.

If lower than 500, then Kevzara is to be discontinued until ANC count is back up to at least 500 (see above).

As for Platelet Count, the number must be 100,000 cells/mm or more to continue, but 3weeks if it stays close to 100,000 repeatedly.

Platelets Count 50,000-100,000, use a lesser dosage, (150mg pen or syringe) as mentioned above.

Platelets Count below 50,000, discontinue until they have risen, then resume.

I think the 3week interval is a rheumatologist invented scheme. I’ve never read it in the Kevzara (sarilumab) literature. I first saw it discussed and performed on this website.

All of my numbers were above the high numbers shown above but my rheumatologist told me to stop anyway. That was unacceptable, to me, so I went to my PCP of thirty years and he I agreed that there was no reason to stop, but that I could try 3week intervals and see if my numbers rose. They did.

They did a little bit and I felt fine, no flare, a tiny bit more pain during the first third week, but fine again after the 3week injection. (And, I continued to taper Prednisone from 4mg/day to 3mg. The next 3week interval, I felt fine the whole time and continued tapering the Prednisone down to 2mg/day.
I’ve just reduced Prednisone down to 1.5mg/day and am 10 days away from my next 3week interval for Kevzara 200mg.

Because my numbers are good enough for 2week intervals, I could go back to 2week intervals but if I don’t need to, then I don’t see why I should. Plus, my numbers should continue to improve and after I’m off Prednisone, I may widen the Kevzara interval to 4weeks. Then, 5 weeks etc., although there is no literature about tapering Kevzara (that I’m aware of.)

I hope this answers some of your Kevzara (sarilumab) questions. You’ll have more, lol, it’s a new medication and no really long term data is available of course. I think we are the data and probably our experiences will hopefully be processed into future number crunching to inform prescribers and patients in the future.

Prednisone must be taken in a timely manner. Same time(s) every day. Just like blood thinners and pain meds, etc.
If you are late, you’ll feel it. You’ll be very lucky if you don’t.

I have alarms on my phone. Seven times a day, I have an alarm go off to remind me when to take what medicine and when to eat so that I have food in my belly before some of the medicines. That way I don’t forget. I’ve been lucky and not had a stomach situation preventing me from keeping food down. If you find a way around that, in order to take the meds on time, let me know; otherwise, I’ll just resort to deep meditation sour dough bread and bananas.

I hope you’re feeling better. Best wishes with the Kevzara and the PMR relief.

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@ess77
No not fun!

I don’t take Gabapentin because of the brain fog and OCD it causes me. Lol I get stupid on it.

Yes, it takes 50-60 days to get the FULL effect of Kevzara (sarilumab) but I felt it was working sooner as I tapered rapidly to get to 10mg/day of Prednisone (from 30, when it was approved.)

The only side effects that I’ve noticed is low white blood cell count, low absolute neutrophil count (ANC) and Platelet Count. Those last two are critical to continue taking Kevzara.

The “standard” dosage of Kevzara is 200 mg and may come in a prefilled pen or in a syringe. (Mine comes in a pen, easy-peasy, and is shaped like a knife handle.)
A 150mg dosage is also available if either of the below “side-effects” occurs.

If ANC is down to 1,000 cells/mm, and stays there, then lengthening Kevzara from 2week intervals to 3weeks can be done. But ANC must be at 1,000 or more.

Between 1,000 and 500, the a lower dosage of Kevzara 150mg is prescribed.

If lower than 500, then Kevzara is to be discontinued until ANC count is back up to at least 500 (see above).

As for Platelet Count, the number must be 100,000 cells/mm or more to continue, but 3weeks if it stays close to 100,000 repeatedly.

Platelets Count 50,000-100,000, use a lesser dosage, (150mg pen or syringe) as mentioned above.

Platelets Count below 50,000, discontinue until they have risen, then resume.

I think the 3week interval is a rheumatologist invented scheme. I’ve never read it in the Kevzara (sarilumab) literature. I first saw it discussed and performed on this website.

All of my numbers were above the high numbers shown above but my rheumatologist told me to stop anyway. That was unacceptable, to me, so I went to my PCP of thirty years and he I agreed that there was no reason to stop, but that I could try 3week intervals and see if my numbers rose. They did.

They did a little bit and I felt fine, no flare, a tiny bit more pain during the first third week, but fine again after the 3week injection. (And, I continued to taper Prednisone from 4mg/day to 3mg. The next 3week interval, I felt fine the whole time and continued tapering the Prednisone down to 2mg/day.
I’ve just reduced Prednisone down to 1.5mg/day and am 10 days away from my next 3week interval for Kevzara 200mg.

Because my numbers are good enough for 2week intervals, I could go back to 2week intervals but if I don’t need to, then I don’t see why I should. Plus, my numbers should continue to improve and after I’m off Prednisone, I may widen the Kevzara interval to 4weeks. Then, 5 weeks etc., although there is no literature about tapering Kevzara (that I’m aware of.)

I hope this answers some of your Kevzara (sarilumab) questions. You’ll have more, lol, it’s a new medication and no really long term data is available of course. I think we are the data and probably our experiences will hopefully be processed into future number crunching to inform prescribers and patients in the future.

Prednisone must be taken in a timely manner. Same time(s) every day. Just like blood thinners and pain meds, etc.
If you are late, you’ll feel it. You’ll be very lucky if you don’t.

I have alarms on my phone. Seven times a day, I have an alarm go off to remind me when to take what medicine and when to eat so that I have food in my belly before some of the medicines. That way I don’t forget. I’ve been lucky and not had a stomach situation preventing me from keeping food down. If you find a way around that, in order to take the meds on time, let me know; otherwise, I’ll just resort to deep meditation sour dough bread and bananas.

I hope you’re feeling better. Best wishes with the Kevzara and the PMR relief.

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So…, how are you doing now, reub4?

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