@surftohealth88 Thanks ,yes it looks like laparoscopy. I tell you with disc disease (esp C4-C6), diabetes, Gerd, High LDL, prostate cancer and cancer in C6,scapula, and L1 this is just another curveball. But you know volunteering @ the hospital 15-25 hours a week for now lets me realize that there are many people worse off than me so I will continue to have good and great days and try to help as many while I can!