Post surgery stress incontinence: Any good advice for everyone?

Posted by fritzo @fritzo, May 26 8:11pm

I’m five weeks post surgery and in the thick of stress incontinence.

I’ve figured out a few things that have worked for me. But, wondering if everyone could share for the larger group your best tips/advice for managing stress incontinence.

Here are a few tips that have been helpful for me:

• Yes, avoid bladder irritants (caffeine, alcohol, carbonated drinks, artificial sweeteners, spicy foods, acidic foods). I started this diet modification from day one and I think it’s helped.

I messed up one day and had some artificial sweetener which I didn’t realize was in my smoothie protein powder. That morning, the spigot was turned back on full force. So, no artificial sweetener for me for a while.

• If you’re just wearing pads, a jock strap really helps keep the pad in position. Before that, I had clothing leakage when the pad slipped out of proper position. Not a fan of jock straps, but it’s better than leaking around the pad.

• When getting up in the morning, pee before sitting down to poop. The process of sitting might induce a spurt. Better just to pee to clear that pressure.

• When changing pads or getting dressed or getting out of the shower, I grab a little toilet paper as a stand-in for a pad just to catch any dribbles.

• If you have a lot of leakage issues, wearing a pull-up brief and then inserting pads is really helpful. Just don’t pull the sticky strip if inserting into a pull-up.

• Keep a pee bottle in the car. When we travelled for two hours and got stuck in traffic, let’s just say I was so thankful we had one of those stowed away in the car.

What else would you suggest for the larger group? Thanks much!

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I second weighing pads. I wasn’t doing that for the first three months or so, and since I was routinely changing pads throughout the day, I’d convinced myself that I had plateaued with progress.

After I started weighing, I realized that each week, I was actually leaking less in my pants than the week before, and that had a definite psychological effect, encouraging me to really focus on my kegel routine each day.

Where I’m at now: I’ve made a solid week of dry overnights, so I think that’s more or less here to stay. Mornings also have good control, but afternoons, things go downhill a little.

Definitely have traditional stress incontinence, though: sneezing, coughing, lifting, and even doing my kegels, I leak little (and sometimes big) squirts. Holding a kegel while getting up sort of works, but as soon as I’m standing and release it…squirt. It just delays the inevitable.

I’m just banking on it taking time. I can’t say it enough, both to myself and to anyone else going through this: *Be Patient!* Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that blah blah blah.

Everything I read here and elsewhere, everything my care team has given me says it can take as long as 18 months to get bladder control back (and even then, the drips and dribbles may never go away), so guess how much time I’m allowing myself? Yep, 18 months! At 4-1/2 months, I’m still a pup!

My physical exercises consist of those my pelvic floor therapist gives me and a very brisk two-mile walk each day (brisk enough that I’m out of breath at the end).

Adding that I no longer wear pull-ups, I’ve graduated to heavy duty pads inside traditional briefs and that seems to do me. The only time I might switch to a pull-up is if I have to do something like sit in a dentist’s chair for a while, or when I go for my 6-week “beautification” session (😆) - haircut, upper-body massage, encouraging talk - because that takes two hours and there’s lots of pressing and pushing on me (I envision being squeezed like a lemon one day and squirting out a surprise stream, and I want to avoid that!).

I did buy some Menvault washable incontinence briefs (pricey), but I plan on reviewing those separately. The short answer, though…don’t bother with those.

Best advice is, hang in there, do the exercises, weigh the pads, celebrate the advances, don’t sweat the setbacks, and give it time.

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I second weighing pads. I wasn’t doing that for the first three months or so, and since I was routinely changing pads throughout the day, I’d convinced myself that I had plateaued with progress.

After I started weighing, I realized that each week, I was actually leaking less in my pants than the week before, and that had a definite psychological effect, encouraging me to really focus on my kegel routine each day.

Where I’m at now: I’ve made a solid week of dry overnights, so I think that’s more or less here to stay. Mornings also have good control, but afternoons, things go downhill a little.

Definitely have traditional stress incontinence, though: sneezing, coughing, lifting, and even doing my kegels, I leak little (and sometimes big) squirts. Holding a kegel while getting up sort of works, but as soon as I’m standing and release it…squirt. It just delays the inevitable.

I’m just banking on it taking time. I can’t say it enough, both to myself and to anyone else going through this: *Be Patient!* Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that blah blah blah.

Everything I read here and elsewhere, everything my care team has given me says it can take as long as 18 months to get bladder control back (and even then, the drips and dribbles may never go away), so guess how much time I’m allowing myself? Yep, 18 months! At 4-1/2 months, I’m still a pup!

My physical exercises consist of those my pelvic floor therapist gives me and a very brisk two-mile walk each day (brisk enough that I’m out of breath at the end).

Adding that I no longer wear pull-ups, I’ve graduated to heavy duty pads inside traditional briefs and that seems to do me. The only time I might switch to a pull-up is if I have to do something like sit in a dentist’s chair for a while, or when I go for my 6-week “beautification” session (😆) - haircut, upper-body massage, encouraging talk - because that takes two hours and there’s lots of pressing and pushing on me (I envision being squeezed like a lemon one day and squirting out a surprise stream, and I want to avoid that!).

I did buy some Menvault washable incontinence briefs (pricey), but I plan on reviewing those separately. The short answer, though…don’t bother with those.

Best advice is, hang in there, do the exercises, weigh the pads, celebrate the advances, don’t sweat the setbacks, and give it time.

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@turtbean
Excellent points and great attitude 👍💗. And yes, weighting pads has multiple positives. It shows progress and helps with maintaining positive attitude and sticking with exercises. I also like your realistic expectations and the time frame that you chose for your recovery, as well as easygoing tolerance of squirting and leaks - it is part of recovery and as long as there is any progress in that regard, there is a great chance of overcoming incontinence .

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As many here know I’ve commented about incontinence clamps. Whether as a short term measure after a procedure while waiting for continence to return, or while contemplating a Sling or an AUS, or a long term measure if a not a candidate for a surgical fix, i found the clamp to be far superior than other methods like multiple pads or external catheters in terms of maintaining life style. With a clamp there are not limitations regarding activities or what cloths can be worn.

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@lsk1000
I personally would not advise using it this early in recovery since both the brain and the local nerves need to "re-learn" holding urine in. There is a special two-way pathway that needs to be re-established and stimulated to reconnect and gain control of the outer sphincter. Also, blood flow through the penis is of utmost importance for preventing atrophy and clamp slows down that blood-flow.

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@fritzo

Oh no, no , no - too early for any fast moving full body-weight exercises ! Nothing high intensity now. Stair climbing is OK but since you are just 5 weeks post op it is too early for rowing. I just wanted to mention that as a back-up plan for later if regular exercise do not help with incontinence. Your belly muscles are weakened by those small port holes and they need to really heal, otherwise you can get ( god forbid) a hernia 😟.

I am so sorry to hear that your pad gets saturated so fast *sigh. If you do not notice any extra pressure with using both briefs and pads, than by all means do what works for you the best - it is all individual as everything else with PC . I just remembered that observation from one of the members and thought perhaps it could be the case for you too.

Underwear - oh yes, it has to be tight fitting, cotton spandex or anything else with spandex, otherwise "things" can move around, and not only the pad 😉.

Are you weighting your pads to observe the trend in incontinence ? If not, I would strongly recommend it. It will help you make objective assessment of the progress. 👍

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@surftohealth88 Yeah, definitely don't need new hernias. I do have an existing inguinal hernia which apparently they did not feel was a concern and wouldn't fix during this surgery.

As far as pad saturation, when I do my long walk-I will definitely saturate the pad. Or, any hour where I do a lot of activity.

Fortunately, if I'm just sitting around, it's not bad.

Weighing pads....debating that. Seems like such a pain and would be impossible to do at work. But, yeah, it would be good to know if I'm going the right direction or not.

Nights are interesting. I get a strong urge to go about 3-4 times a night. It's pretty intense, so I go. The good news is that my pad is dry in the morning. The bad news is that I have to get up through the night, which I never had to before. My surgeon said this likely the last thing to improve for me. So, yeah for that.

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Profile picture for TurtBean @turtbean

I second weighing pads. I wasn’t doing that for the first three months or so, and since I was routinely changing pads throughout the day, I’d convinced myself that I had plateaued with progress.

After I started weighing, I realized that each week, I was actually leaking less in my pants than the week before, and that had a definite psychological effect, encouraging me to really focus on my kegel routine each day.

Where I’m at now: I’ve made a solid week of dry overnights, so I think that’s more or less here to stay. Mornings also have good control, but afternoons, things go downhill a little.

Definitely have traditional stress incontinence, though: sneezing, coughing, lifting, and even doing my kegels, I leak little (and sometimes big) squirts. Holding a kegel while getting up sort of works, but as soon as I’m standing and release it…squirt. It just delays the inevitable.

I’m just banking on it taking time. I can’t say it enough, both to myself and to anyone else going through this: *Be Patient!* Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that blah blah blah.

Everything I read here and elsewhere, everything my care team has given me says it can take as long as 18 months to get bladder control back (and even then, the drips and dribbles may never go away), so guess how much time I’m allowing myself? Yep, 18 months! At 4-1/2 months, I’m still a pup!

My physical exercises consist of those my pelvic floor therapist gives me and a very brisk two-mile walk each day (brisk enough that I’m out of breath at the end).

Adding that I no longer wear pull-ups, I’ve graduated to heavy duty pads inside traditional briefs and that seems to do me. The only time I might switch to a pull-up is if I have to do something like sit in a dentist’s chair for a while, or when I go for my 6-week “beautification” session (😆) - haircut, upper-body massage, encouraging talk - because that takes two hours and there’s lots of pressing and pushing on me (I envision being squeezed like a lemon one day and squirting out a surprise stream, and I want to avoid that!).

I did buy some Menvault washable incontinence briefs (pricey), but I plan on reviewing those separately. The short answer, though…don’t bother with those.

Best advice is, hang in there, do the exercises, weigh the pads, celebrate the advances, don’t sweat the setbacks, and give it time.

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@turtbean This is incredibly helpful. I'm so early, I'm a pup whose eyes haven't even opened yet.

I've totally done the stand up with a kegel and then the spurt afterwards. But, guess it will get better.

I'm super interested in your PT exercises that you got. Can you describe them?

And, also super interesting on the walk. I'm not walk briskly, but not so fast that I'm out of breathe.

Yeah, I'm off pull-ups unless I really need the insurance. I went back to work last week and wore pull-ups for the first couple of days. But, to start, I'm just on my floor and close to a bathroom, so I stopped with the pull-ups. Next week, I'll be out and about, so I may go back for peace of mind.

Well-I signed up for this when I chose surgery....so what can you do. Thanks for the advice!!

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@lsk1000
I personally would not advise using it this early in recovery since both the brain and the local nerves need to "re-learn" holding urine in. There is a special two-way pathway that needs to be re-established and stimulated to reconnect and gain control of the outer sphincter. Also, blood flow through the penis is of utmost importance for preventing atrophy and clamp slows down that blood-flow.

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@surftohealth88 Yeah, you got me with atrophy and blood flow stopping.

I'm gonna hold off unless I really need the option later. I know that it is a great option down the road. But, my surgeon did say right up front not to use a clamp.

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Profile picture for lsk1000 @lsk1000

As many here know I’ve commented about incontinence clamps. Whether as a short term measure after a procedure while waiting for continence to return, or while contemplating a Sling or an AUS, or a long term measure if a not a candidate for a surgical fix, i found the clamp to be far superior than other methods like multiple pads or external catheters in terms of maintaining life style. With a clamp there are not limitations regarding activities or what cloths can be worn.

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@lsk1000 I've heard that some people use clamps for swimming or athletic activity. Good to have options. Thanks for the info!!

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most- but certainly not all- men have incontinence for about a year
it is a long process
https://www.auanet.org/guidelines-and-quality/guidelines/incontinence-after-prostate-treatment
hang in there

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Profile picture for edinmaryland @edinmaryland

most- but certainly not all- men have incontinence for about a year
it is a long process
https://www.auanet.org/guidelines-and-quality/guidelines/incontinence-after-prostate-treatment
hang in there

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@edinmaryland Price of treatment-we all knew the side effects were not going to be a party.

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@surftohealth88 OK-I need to do more intentional kegels on standing and sitting. I've read from a PT book on this that it's good to also lightly pull in you stomach as you do this. I've tried that and when I remember to do it, it helps.

Wow-rowing and Stairmaster. Maybe the idea is that you're doing lots of reps and build up more pelvic floor. Don't have access to those machines but I could climb stairs at work.

I wonder....can I start doing my scientific seven minute routine or is too soon? It's 30 seconds of each of these at high intensity; Jumping jacks, wall sit, push-ups, crunches, chair step-up, squats, tricep dips, plank, lunges, push-up with rotation and then side planks. Takes about nine minutes (Scientific Seven Minute workout). I've been doing them for years....but not the last five weeks.

My big issue is that I know that when I go for a walk, I'm going to saturate a pad completely. The three mile walk pushes my pad capacity (using Tena Maximum pads right now)....but I do it.

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@fritzo I also would saturate a pad during my 2 mile walk. That happened for the first few weeks after catheter was removed. Just considered it a small price to pay to get my exercise. I'm 5 months post-op and still have a small amount of leakage. Kegels + pelvic floor/core exercises + giving time to heal is what I've done. Think I will get there completely soon, if not still a small price to pay to be undetectable. Best wishes to you

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