Vitamin K: High Doses of MK-4 and MK-7 Show Promising Results

Posted by daisy17 @daisy17, Apr 7 12:07pm

It seems as though doctors in the U.S. focus primarily on medications to treat osteoporosis, many of which have undesirable side effects.

I find it curious that doctors never seem to mention taking high doses of Vitamin K, which has few side effects and has shown promising results in Japanese studies that indicate vitamin K2, specifically MK-4 and MK-7, may improve bone health. MK-4 has been prescribed for osteoporosis in Japan because studies there showed it had benefits in bone density and strength.

Based on this information, I recently started taking 180mcg of Menaquinone-7 (MK7) TrueVantage brand and 45,000 mcg (45 mg) of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) - Life Extension K2 High Potency brand.

AI Assist says that it's okay to take both forms: “Taking vitamin K2 in both MK-4 and MK-7 forms together can be beneficial, as they have different properties and roles in the body. MK-4 has a shorter half-life and is quickly metabolized, while MK-7 has a longer half-life and remains active for a longer period, supporting continuous bone and cardiovascular health. Combining both forms may provide comprehensive support for bone health and calcium metabolism.”

Here are a couple articles on this: https://naturalhealthresearch.org/vitamin-k2-and-bone-loss/
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2022/3/bone-loss-vitamin-k-high-dose

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I would agree with physicians focusing on medications such as Prolia and others and not looking at MK 4 where numerous studies have noted benefit. The response re MK4 I received was it is not FDA approved and so could not recommend it.

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@osteoprob48 That doesn't mean you shouldn't consider taking MK-4 and MK-7, as there is no harm in taking the high doses. Sadly, nutrition and vitamins as treatments are not studied as much in the U.S. as they are in other countries.

I have fibromyalgia and was helped tremendously by LDN low-dose naltrexone which is not FDA-approved for fibromyalgia. However, it is used off-label and prescribed for this condition despite the lack of official approval. Studies have shown it helps many people with fibromyalgia and other inflammatory diseases.

There are even some studies that indicate LDN could help with osteoporosis. This article says: "Our results suggest that naltrexone increases bone mass due to osteoblast number increments caused by the OGFR signaling block. Opioid receptor blockers have potential as therapeutic agents for osteoporosis as well as opioid antagonists."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0024320519302395

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@osteoprob48 That doesn't mean you shouldn't consider taking MK-4 and MK-7, as there is no harm in taking the high doses. Sadly, nutrition and vitamins as treatments are not studied as much in the U.S. as they are in other countries.

I have fibromyalgia and was helped tremendously by LDN low-dose naltrexone which is not FDA-approved for fibromyalgia. However, it is used off-label and prescribed for this condition despite the lack of official approval. Studies have shown it helps many people with fibromyalgia and other inflammatory diseases.

There are even some studies that indicate LDN could help with osteoporosis. This article says: "Our results suggest that naltrexone increases bone mass due to osteoblast number increments caused by the OGFR signaling block. Opioid receptor blockers have potential as therapeutic agents for osteoporosis as well as opioid antagonists."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0024320519302395

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@osteoprob48 I also see it as @daisy17 describes above. MK4 and MK7 are supplements. There will never be great RCT research trials on Vit K because there is nothing that can be patented to get back the money from big expensive research.

Here is a good research overview from 2022:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35711002/
EXCERPT: "Conclusion: This meta-analysis and systematic review seemed to support the hypothesis that vitamin K2 plays an important role in the maintenance and improvement of BMD, and it decreases uc-OC and increases OC significantly at a long-term follow-up. Vitamin K2 supplementation is beneficial and safe in the treatment of osteoporosis for postmenopausal women."

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I too heard it could not be recommended b/c it was not FDA approved as a medication. Is the FDA even looking at it at this time is a question. And, does that negate the benefit seen from the various studies that indicate its benefit?

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@osteoprob48 I also see it as @daisy17 describes above. MK4 and MK7 are supplements. There will never be great RCT research trials on Vit K because there is nothing that can be patented to get back the money from big expensive research.

Here is a good research overview from 2022:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35711002/
EXCERPT: "Conclusion: This meta-analysis and systematic review seemed to support the hypothesis that vitamin K2 plays an important role in the maintenance and improvement of BMD, and it decreases uc-OC and increases OC significantly at a long-term follow-up. Vitamin K2 supplementation is beneficial and safe in the treatment of osteoporosis for postmenopausal women."

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Point taken. Thank you.

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I too heard it could not be recommended b/c it was not FDA approved as a medication. Is the FDA even looking at it at this time is a question. And, does that negate the benefit seen from the various studies that indicate its benefit?

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@osteoprob48 I read this on-line: "The FDA doesn't recommend vitamins as treatments because dietary supplements, including vitamins, are not approved by the FDA to treat or prevent diseases. Instead, they are regulated as food products, which means their safety and effectiveness are not evaluated before they are marketed."

So I would say that the FDA is not looking into any benefits Vitamin K may offer to help osteoporosis, in the MK-4 and MK-7 forms. I don't think their non-approval negates possible benefits. Japan has done studies on MK-4 which showed promising results. Here is one article:
https://osteoporosis-studies.com/low-dose-mk-4-for-a-year-maintains-bone-density-and-improves-bone-quality-in-postmenopausal-japanese-women/
Here is what I take: 180mcg Menaquinone-7 (MK7) - TrueVantage brand and
45,000 mcg (45 mg) of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) - Life Extension K2 High Potency brand

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@doreenc I would love to exercise at home but am stymied by figuring out what equipment I need. Apparently, it's important to progress (properly) with weights in order to build bone density. It's quite an investment to buy 10-, 15-, 20-lb. dumbbell sets of 2 each, plus a bench, bands, ets. What equipment do you have for her program? Thank you!

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@bethieb I have minimal equipment since I'm starting slow. I started with 2 water bottles (1 lb each), then I bought 2 lb weights at Walmart. I also have (from my husband) 3 lb. 5 lb. 12 lb weights. I just progressed to using 3 lb weights. I bought the red Theraband to start but I think I'll get the green band now since the red has become too easy for me. I also bought the yoga blocks and a yoga mat Dr Lisa recommended and I recently bought the exercise band with handles and a door anchor as well. Overall the cost has been reasonable but I did pay for the Level 1 program since without a really detailed and structured program, I know I would just give up. Her free videos are excellent also. I exercise in my bedroom where I have a full length mirror so I can check my form. My yoga mat slides under my bed for storage and all my other equipment I keep on my dresser or a chair since I'm only using a set of 3 lb weights, the bands, door anchor, and yoga blocks. It's really not that much equipment and I buy everything on Amazon. Plus you can check Dr. Lisa's Amazon store to see what she uses/recommends in her videos.

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Sounds like you're building a good program at home with good progression following Dr. Lisa. Thank you for sharing.

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@osteoprob48 I read this on-line: "The FDA doesn't recommend vitamins as treatments because dietary supplements, including vitamins, are not approved by the FDA to treat or prevent diseases. Instead, they are regulated as food products, which means their safety and effectiveness are not evaluated before they are marketed."

So I would say that the FDA is not looking into any benefits Vitamin K may offer to help osteoporosis, in the MK-4 and MK-7 forms. I don't think their non-approval negates possible benefits. Japan has done studies on MK-4 which showed promising results. Here is one article:
https://osteoporosis-studies.com/low-dose-mk-4-for-a-year-maintains-bone-density-and-improves-bone-quality-in-postmenopausal-japanese-women/
Here is what I take: 180mcg Menaquinone-7 (MK7) - TrueVantage brand and
45,000 mcg (45 mg) of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) - Life Extension K2 High Potency brand

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Thank you.

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I too heard it could not be recommended b/c it was not FDA approved as a medication. Is the FDA even looking at it at this time is a question. And, does that negate the benefit seen from the various studies that indicate its benefit?

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@osteoprob48
It is not a meditation. It’s a vitamin that works with vitamin d and calcium. I have been taking Vitamin K2 MK-7 for years. I had a CT heart scan last month that showed zero calcification in the arteries leading to my heart. This is a rare finding for someone in my age group. Only 10% of people my age have a zero result.

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I have been taking K2 MK-7 for years with my regular daily vitamins including Vitamin D and calcium. I had a CT heart scan to check for calcification in the arteries. My score was zero. Only 10% of patients my age have a zero score. But it’s not uncommon for patients 50 and under to have a zero score.

I have been taking K2 MK-7 to maintain smooth, flexible arteries. It didn’t help with osteoporosis in my case. Allen I started taking it I was concerned about heart disease. I had many tests during chemo — stress testing, echocardiograms — because the chemo drug I was prescribed causes heart damage. My tests were always good — no damage. But I do have osteoporosis which was worsened because I am on Anastrozole.

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