Cauda equina syndrome (CES)

Posted by sheabebabe @sheabebabe, May 2, 2017

2011 I started with pain down my legs I could hardly walk it was so painful. After the MRI didn't come out well at a clinic I went to the hospital suicidal saying I'd rather die than live like that another day. They did MRI and found I had L5S1 slipped disk. They admitted me for pain management and started me on pain meds. I was relived finally I knew what was wrong and had meds to help the pain. Found a pain clinic and my first injection was wonderful took the shooting leg pain away. I tried a couple more with little success then the last on he knick something which caused a large hematoma. So very painful. Swore I'd never do it again. Last nov I turned from the sink heard a pop and instant pain I thought it was like other times where some prednisone would do the trick. It got worse I started loosing feeling below and pee just poured out when I stood. I went right to ER. The surgery they said I could not have because of weight was finally being done. 5 months later I still have tons of nerve type pain and I have a foley cuz I have Cauda equina syndrome (CES).

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Hello,

I have Cauda Equina Syndrome which is getting worse everyday. I was operated on over 3.5 years ago which made everything worse. I have a lot of other issues and on both immunosuppressants and nerve pain medications. Just asking if anyone is in the same boat and has any useful advice

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Hello @tbo, you mentioned wanting to know if anyone was in the same boat as you with cauda equina syndrome. I moved your discussion and combined it with an existing discussion titled, "Cauda Equina Syndrome: Pain, symptoms, management and prognosis" - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/cauda-equina/.

I did this so you could meet members @jwm61 and others that recently discussed this difficult diagnosis.

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Hello @tbo, you mentioned wanting to know if anyone was in the same boat as you with cauda equina syndrome. I moved your discussion and combined it with an existing discussion titled, "Cauda Equina Syndrome: Pain, symptoms, management and prognosis" - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/cauda-equina/.

I did this so you could meet members @jwm61 and others that recently discussed this difficult diagnosis.

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Thank you

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Profile picture for qball2019 @qball2019

It seems strange to me that doctors have no idea what to do. They should be familiar with what action or recommendations to make for CES. I'm sure they recognize that your surgeon should be taking action. From my experience, it seems like doctors generally work together and stick up for one another. It may be that the doctors aren't wanting to treat you because they don't want a lawsuit on their hands that should belong to someone else. I really don't know but it seems like they are really giving you the runaround.

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Hello Skip,
I have read your comments and posts and wondering how you’re feeling now. I know these are from a few years back but I am currently dealing with everything you’ve spoken bout. Due to a ruptured L5 that was leaking fluid , I had a lamniectomy, 2 days later and emergency repeat due to a blood clot, 6 months later a fusion due to scar tissue build up. I am not the same person in any way shape or form and it’s been rough. I hope things are better for you.

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Profile picture for dhuffman1969 @dhuffman1969

I have the classic symptoms. Nerogenic bladder and bowel. Constant burning in the saddle area concentrated in the anus sphter muscle. I'm on Lyrica. I've tried many treatments. Nothing works.

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@dhuffman1969
I have beginning stages after 3 level ALIF fusion surgery. My incontinence is bearable at this point, I have had about 5 urination blowouts heading to bathroom, 2 defecation blowouts in process of taking down pants, so close calls. I hope it doesn't get worse. I have gone back and forth between gabapentin and pregabalin. They seem to work ok for about 3 months, then relief wears off and I switch back.

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Profile picture for skiprel1957 @skiprel1957

I can't seem to find a group for cauda equine syndrome so I chose chronic pain. So if there are People on here with CES please respond. My name is Skip, had back surgery and had a blood clot after surgery. It compressed the nerves at the nerve root, have most of the normal problems. Bad back pain, numbness down my legs, pins and needles in my feet, have to use a cane or wheelchair, loss of bladder function, terrible rectal nerve pain, I could go on, but if you have CES you no what I mean. Have had this for about 8 months now and I would like to hear from anyone who has had treatment for CES. My pain Dr. has no clue what to do. Just on pain meds now and would like to know if spinal injections would help. This stuff is really bad, Lyrica doesn't seem to help, Morphine and Oxycodone help but in no way takes the pain away. I really hate the mornings when the meds have wore off a bit and I have to get out of bed, sometimes I take a pain pill and give it a half hour or so then get up. The pain just continues to worsen and I'm concerned about the future. My Surgeon just stuck his head in the sand, wouldn't even discuss my diagnosis with me just wrote it down so I could Google it. He has virtually told me nothing. Will never go back to him. See a new Surgeon in a couple of weeks. Would love to hear your stories.

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@skiprel1957

Totally get a new doc ! I went from 5mg Norco to 10mg within a year and from every 8 hours to every 4 hours now, I too wonder what maybe next.

Same here; I hate the mornings so I have my meds near me with water and I take a pill and give it a half hour then get up. {Some days I wonder why bother} Its not like I can do much physically anymore. Thank God for "Mother's lil helpers" 😉

Honestly think surgery would improve some but is it worth the risk of making it worse later? My dilemma. I still get cortisone injections and pt these help some as well.

Keep posting ~ God Bless You man.

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Profile picture for dhuffman1969 @dhuffman1969

I have the classic symptoms. Nerogenic bladder and bowel. Constant burning in the saddle area concentrated in the anus sphter muscle. I'm on Lyrica. I've tried many treatments. Nothing works.

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@dhuffman1969 idk if this would do anything but it kinda sounds like my symptoms of interstitial cystitis and i get installations for that which is lidocaine,sodium bicarbonate, and heparin and they put it in my bladder through a catheter and it has actually seemed to work after a few weeks

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Hello @paladin121 -- I would like to add my welcome to Connect along with @lisalucier and other members. I also want to thank you for your service. I had not heard of caudia equina syndrome but used my favorite research tool - Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/) and found an abstract for an article that seems to support what you have said. Unfortunately it's just an abstract and you have to buy the full article. The following quote was from the abstract.

"Summary of Background Data. Cauda equina syndrome from lumbar disc herniation accounts for up to 1% of all disc herniations. Most of the literature supports surgery within 24 hours as a means of improving the outcome."

Medical Realities of Cauda Equina Syndrome Secondary to Lumbar Disc Herniation:
-- https://journals.lww.com/spinejournal/Abstract/2000/02010/Medical_Realities_of_Cauda_Equina_Syndrome.15.aspx

Keep asking questions and looking for answers. You are your best advocate.

@sandytoes14 sent me the following link which may have better information on cauda equina syndrome:
-- https://www.disabled-world.com/disability/types/spinal/backpain/ces.php

John

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@johnbishop Hi John, I have some degree of CES. But I was with college friends and my friend had lumbar surgery last June. I felt HE has this with his left leg being numb (not numb BEFORE the surgery and years before with lumbar issues). So thank you for the links. I passed them on. (just wanted to let you know how helpful they are!!! Lori

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Profile picture for mackvogt13 @mackvogt13

@dhuffman1969 idk if this would do anything but it kinda sounds like my symptoms of interstitial cystitis and i get installations for that which is lidocaine,sodium bicarbonate, and heparin and they put it in my bladder through a catheter and it has actually seemed to work after a few weeks

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@mackvogt13 that is bizarre! I have some degree of CES but also IC! I never think of them as related. I have been in remission with my IC for about a year and a half (after having DMSO installations). My remission I attribute to increased B12 plus HEME Iron. (plus I eat an egg in the morning (more B's and iron) and a diagnosis of Insulin Resistance for which I am on Metformin and my GOUT (high uric acid levels) and now I take Allopurinol. I stopped needing to adjust my diet and stopped getting irritated. So I don't know which helped but maybe it all did. Something to look into for you!

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@skiprel1957

Totally get a new doc ! I went from 5mg Norco to 10mg within a year and from every 8 hours to every 4 hours now, I too wonder what maybe next.

Same here; I hate the mornings so I have my meds near me with water and I take a pill and give it a half hour then get up. {Some days I wonder why bother} Its not like I can do much physically anymore. Thank God for "Mother's lil helpers" 😉

Honestly think surgery would improve some but is it worth the risk of making it worse later? My dilemma. I still get cortisone injections and pt these help some as well.

Keep posting ~ God Bless You man.

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@rockinrene65 lumbar surgery was GREAT. I totally recommend it! The doctors waited years too long and my Cauda Equina was permanently damaged by the time I found a great Ortho surgeon. He told me he needed to do surgery NOW and I agreed. What's left if you don't? possibly the loss of your lower limbs and incontinence. I am SO glad I did it. The nerve roots didn't entirely heal because the neurosurgeon neglected surgery but I got rid of the pain and got a lot of feeling back. The deterioration stopped. I recommend you keep searching. I have always taken opioid for the pain associated with degeneration but, but the tylenol in the Oxy helps as much as the opioid. I'm very stable on my 10/325 every 4 -8 hours for 25 years. I am 69.

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@rockinrene65 lumbar surgery was GREAT. I totally recommend it! The doctors waited years too long and my Cauda Equina was permanently damaged by the time I found a great Ortho surgeon. He told me he needed to do surgery NOW and I agreed. What's left if you don't? possibly the loss of your lower limbs and incontinence. I am SO glad I did it. The nerve roots didn't entirely heal because the neurosurgeon neglected surgery but I got rid of the pain and got a lot of feeling back. The deterioration stopped. I recommend you keep searching. I have always taken opioid for the pain associated with degeneration but, but the tylenol in the Oxy helps as much as the opioid. I'm very stable on my 10/325 every 4 -8 hours for 25 years. I am 69.

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@loriesco Thank You & God Bless xo

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