Oncology Care Rejection

Posted by greg2026 @greg2026, 5 days ago

I am very confused. I was diagnosed with High Grade Stage 4 Prostate in November. My local oncologist did not give me information or a choice on treatment and said Chemo must be scheduled. Second consult with Mayo reviled that is not standard of care radiation and hormone treatment is. Received radiation treatment in January, on hormone drugs, current Oncologist retires today and Oncology nurses and Dr. say they will not treat me as a patient unless something else changes go find a local oncologist having one at Mayo is not recommended for long term Oncology management and limits of care safely at a distance (5 hour drive for me)? What originally they stated they can see me and care for me at distance without issue? I will not see local oncology they did not provide options or correct standard of care. Does Mayo not see patients around the world? I am very very saddened and confused.

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@jeffmarc Completely agree with your assessment and am pursuing further to get to the bottom of it. I, unfortunately, am on Lupron for at least 3 more months and am having sever side effects of Dizziness and Nausea. Can not 100% say it is the Lupron but I have received a lot of additional tests and scans that point to it. Even trying PT now. I talked to my Urologist and will be getting on Orgovyx in July. Just reading about the decipher test it is typically for patients with localized cancer I have it in at least 4 locations currently. Received Radiation also at Mayo which makes this whole thing very confusing.

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@greg2026 I agree with Jeff that this doesn't make sense. If you were a Mayo oncology patient, the retirement of the doctor you had been seeing shouldn't have required you to seek oncologist treatment elsewhere. I hope that Colleen will post the contact information for the Mayo department that can help you register your unhappiness and get to the bottom of it. I am very sorry that you are going through this.

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@jeffmarc I live in Minnesota. Gleason 9. PSA 4.39. No mention regarding long term remission or what that even is metastasized to 4 locations including bone. On Lupron shot and DAROLUTAMIDE. Have not heard of a decipher test.

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@greg2026 So your cancer qualifies as oligometastatic (good), and you're getting doublet therapy (better).

Have they discussed the possibility of metastasis-directed therapy (MDT) instead of chemo, since you have fewer than 5 metastases? Obviously, I don't know your exact situation (and I'm not a medical professional anyway).

Treatments like doublet therapy, triplet therapy, and MDT used to be cutting edge 4–5 years ago, but you should be able to get them at any major cancer facility that's a research centre and/or affiliated with a medical school these days — at least, I'd hope so.

The other increasingly-common approach these days for oligometastatic prostate cancer is to radiate your prostate (aka the "mothership"), even though the cancer has already spread. It's not indicated if there are >5 metastases, however. Another question to ask your medical team.

Best of luck!

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@greg2026 So your cancer qualifies as oligometastatic (good), and you're getting doublet therapy (better).

Have they discussed the possibility of metastasis-directed therapy (MDT) instead of chemo, since you have fewer than 5 metastases? Obviously, I don't know your exact situation (and I'm not a medical professional anyway).

Treatments like doublet therapy, triplet therapy, and MDT used to be cutting edge 4–5 years ago, but you should be able to get them at any major cancer facility that's a research centre and/or affiliated with a medical school these days — at least, I'd hope so.

The other increasingly-common approach these days for oligometastatic prostate cancer is to radiate your prostate (aka the "mothership"), even though the cancer has already spread. It's not indicated if there are >5 metastases, however. Another question to ask your medical team.

Best of luck!

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@northoftheborder less than 5 have already received 20 consecutive radiation therapy at Mayo. Even my radiation oncologist thinks the reaction of medical Oncology is strange. She continues to check on me without Medical Oncologies assistance.

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@northoftheborder less than 5 have already received 20 consecutive radiation therapy at Mayo. Even my radiation oncologist thinks the reaction of medical Oncology is strange. She continues to check on me without Medical Oncologies assistance.

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@greg2026 Again, no one here can diagnose you or recommend treatment, but I think this thread is generating good questions to keep asking your team (wherever you end up getting treatment).

Was the radiation to your prostate? Have they explained why they're recommending chemo instead of radiation to the individual metastases? (Maybe they're too close to each-other?)

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@greg2026 I agree with Jeff that this doesn't make sense. If you were a Mayo oncology patient, the retirement of the doctor you had been seeing shouldn't have required you to seek oncologist treatment elsewhere. I hope that Colleen will post the contact information for the Mayo department that can help you register your unhappiness and get to the bottom of it. I am very sorry that you are going through this.

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@lag Absolutely - message Colleen!

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@greg2026 Again, no one here can diagnose you or recommend treatment, but I think this thread is generating good questions to keep asking your team (wherever you end up getting treatment).

Was the radiation to your prostate? Have they explained why they're recommending chemo instead of radiation to the individual metastases? (Maybe they're too close to each-other?)

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@northoftheborder 1-local oncologist said Chemo and no other option 2-Second (Mayo) and third opinion said that is Chemo is not standard of care Radiation + ADT (Hormone Therapy) is standard of care you want to keep Chemo in your back pocket just in case you need it at a later time.

I went with Mayo and have had 20 days of radiation treatments (Prostate, Lymph nodes, Bladder, 2 bone Metastasis). Sense Medical Oncologist has retired and suggested I go back to the original local oncologist my case was "too easy" for Mayo Oncology team (WHAT? very degrading). Stated I went with Mayo because of the original recommendation no way would I reengage with my local oncologist who did not lay out the options.

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@lag Absolutely - message Colleen!

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@heavyphil New to the group Colleen who?

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@northoftheborder 1-local oncologist said Chemo and no other option 2-Second (Mayo) and third opinion said that is Chemo is not standard of care Radiation + ADT (Hormone Therapy) is standard of care you want to keep Chemo in your back pocket just in case you need it at a later time.

I went with Mayo and have had 20 days of radiation treatments (Prostate, Lymph nodes, Bladder, 2 bone Metastasis). Sense Medical Oncologist has retired and suggested I go back to the original local oncologist my case was "too easy" for Mayo Oncology team (WHAT? very degrading). Stated I went with Mayo because of the original recommendation no way would I reengage with my local oncologist who did not lay out the options.

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@greg2026
Unless you have more than five metastasis, they don’t usually do chemo. They can zap them with radiation as long as there aren’t too many. I know someone who had 15 zapped in multiple sessions. Not all doctors will do that.

Good to hear radiation was decided to be the best thing for you. You definitely want to leave chemo on the table for later, It has so many side effects.

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@heavyphil New to the group Colleen who?

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@greg2026 Colleen Young is the forum moderator / administrator. @colleenyoung

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The longer we PCa patients live, and need periodic check-ups, there are fewer deaths to make room on busy doctors' patient lists. So no big surprise if check-ups are farmed out to local doctors more and more. Just be sure your local test results are copied to your primary onco.

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