Prednisone tapering: How did you do it pain free?

Posted by betsyhase @betsyhase, Apr 5 12:40pm

I started Prednisone on 2/6/26 after being diagnosed with PMR. My starting dose was 12.5mg which gave me great relief but not totally. My PCP wants me to decrease by 1 mg per month. My concern is that I am noticing the joints in my hands are still swollen and stiff. This is an improvement from where I started but not my normal. My knees are in pain and weakness in my legs is constant. I am also retaining fluid by noticing my weight going up and feeling puffy. I am to get some bloodwork done on 4/9.
My question is did you get completely pain free with Prednisone?

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@betsyhase and all... Good for you! Perhaps a follow-up call to your PCP for a consult referral from him will speed things up a bit. Yes, he need to understand how this is affecting you, daily and overall. Important to write down your symptoms before speaking with him or his staff so you are sure to get everything said. Also, ask to be put on the wait list for the first available appointment with the Rheumatologist. Use those words. They will understand you 'know what you're doing' and really need to see this new doc.

My advice after years of struggling with the systems of several medical facilities!!!
Blessings, Elizabeth

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@ess77
Yes, I am going to start writing everything down so I can be clear about all of my symptoms. Right now he is just going by my blood results. I am better but function is limited. I am still pretty much house bound. If I try even a short trip shopping, I am down/house bound for a few days.
Very frustrating 😞

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I've been on prednisone since February 25. My rheumatologist started me on 15mg prednisone after getting the first results from my blood work. Three weeks later I was diagnosed with PMR and because 15mg was only taking the edge off the pain, I was bumped up to 25mg. For two days I felt great but then the ache in my shoulders returned but at a much lower level and I had pain in my left hip and right knee. After about two weeks I started feeling full relief again but I still woke up with shoulder and hip pain until my prednisone kicked in. My shoulders would ache by the end of the day after doing light chores around the house. It's still difficult to do even the simplest things in the evening because of my shoulders feeling achy and weak. Last week I started getting horrible acid reflux after everything I ate and was taking Tums all day. My rheumatologist was on vacation so I started splitting my prednisone to 20mg in the morning and 5mg in the evening. That worked. Yesterday, my rheumatologist cut me down to 20mg. So far I don't feel any difference. Maybe splitting my dose helped. I'm going to do the same thing later this week by doing 15mg in the morning and 5mg in the evening. I see my rheumatologist again next week. I don't feel like I've ever been totally pain free for more than a couple of days on prednisone. My shoulders always have an ache to them, but I'm starting to feel more side effects of prednisone so I'm willing to put up with a little pain and discomfort, although I feel severely limited in what I'm able to do because of my shoulders.

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@kjoed53 ....I taper to a tolerable level which is 3 or less.......if the pain goes above 3 when awaking in the morning I increase by .5 mg. for three days and start the taper again. I had some shoulder issues before PMR but use them as my barometer when to taper. I also split my dose which is now 6 mg. , 4 mg. with morning meal and 2 mg. with evening meal. Very important to have plenty of food in the stomach when taking Prednisone. Also do not take antiacids with prednisone and separate them by 2 hours or more or it will weaken the medication. A PPI will help with protecting your stomach but there is also issues with taking them long term because this will not let you properly digest all of your food due to decreased stomach acids. These are details I had to learn on my own because my Rummy did not take the time to go over important details, which by the way will be different for each person.

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@kjoed53 ....I taper to a tolerable level which is 3 or less.......if the pain goes above 3 when awaking in the morning I increase by .5 mg. for three days and start the taper again. I had some shoulder issues before PMR but use them as my barometer when to taper. I also split my dose which is now 6 mg. , 4 mg. with morning meal and 2 mg. with evening meal. Very important to have plenty of food in the stomach when taking Prednisone. Also do not take antiacids with prednisone and separate them by 2 hours or more or it will weaken the medication. A PPI will help with protecting your stomach but there is also issues with taking them long term because this will not let you properly digest all of your food due to decreased stomach acids. These are details I had to learn on my own because my Rummy did not take the time to go over important details, which by the way will be different for each person.

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@ds1
I think we are a puzzle to our rheumatologists because of the lack of a concrete diagnosis path other than process of elimination. They can't always use their experience with other PMR patients because we all present with differences.

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@ess77
Yes, I am going to start writing everything down so I can be clear about all of my symptoms. Right now he is just going by my blood results. I am better but function is limited. I am still pretty much house bound. If I try even a short trip shopping, I am down/house bound for a few days.
Very frustrating 😞

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@betsyhase
Perhaps you can also ask that if someone cancels an appointment, you can have it.
That is how I got my first appointment with my rheumatologist.
Best of luck and wishes for you.

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I've been decreasing by 1mg every 10 days. Started at 25mg, got to 14mg, but pain returned. Not as bad as beginning, but its hindering my daily routines again. Went back to 14.5mg. Hoping that helps, but after 2nd day there, not much better. Im bummed because it was going so well. I'm wondering also about a biologic like kevzara to help get off prednisone.

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I am 83 and it was too fast for me to drop down 1 mg per month. I started at 25 mg in December 2024. I had a flare at 7 mg and he put me back up to 9 mg. I didn't like that. Since then I am doing a .5 mg, drop, with his permission, every 2 to 3 weeks. It is much slower but now I am at 5.5 mg. This is the point where they say you can really start to feel the pain because your adrenals are starting to wake up. So slow dosage drop or not, that's what I am doing. Truly, I am getting creaky when I wake up, and it takes about 45 minutes and a very strong cup of coffee, to get going. Plus an extra strength Tylenol if I really, really need it. But I would rather weather it out with some pain than have to go back up to a higher dosage again, just to encourage myself to do the slower taper. My hair is starting to grow back and my moon face is going down, so fingers crossed. We just came back from a 12-day cruise, which also included 11-hour flights to and from Europe, and weathered it fine, thank goodness.

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@elizabethannr If you are on a 3 week schedule you might try what I did when I got below 5mg. During week one I would alternate between the lower dose and then the higher dose two to three times during that week. Then weeks 2 and 3 stay on the lower dose. I hit my pain wall around 3.5mg. You could also go to a 4 week schedule since you are in the final lap and that is the challenge lap for your adrenals.
I have tried more than once to get off of prednisone and it eludes me. I was recently Dx with GCA yet never had any symptoms so we are now trying to find me a biologic I can tolerate.
Fighting PMR unfortunately seems to become a full time job. I go on 2 cruises a year and have started looking for cruises that depart and/or return to a US port. The Panama Canal was my choice this year. My third time thru and still as fascinating as the first time.

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@elizabethannr and all... What in the world? You were on a 12-day cruise and 11 hour flights?????
My goodness... You are surely doing well. I ccan't travel at all anymore. Not even week-end jaunts to near-by places I enjoy without edema issues and icreased pain, putting me in bed for a day or two. You are remarkable.

Also, with the auto-immune issues and Prednisone, I don't dare get around groups of folks with new germs. I am extremely sensitive to infection and sepsis comes shortly often, so I live a severely isolated life, as most did during Covid. I live that life almost constantly. But, enjoy my flowers and made my upstairs into a nice, comfortable bubble. My outside connections are online, texting, zooming, videos to keep my brain active and vocabulary near... and to stay on top of world events. I learn every day from YouTube about make-up for older women, fierce women! You are one, as am I!

Oh, the .5 mg reduction helps me greatly. Slow is fine now that I adjust my attitude and accept the situation. Slow in this case is ideal... ess

Bless you and may you continue to keep moving and be the healthiest you possible!
Elizabeth

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@ess77 I get lymphatic massages for my edema and they are a great help to help me manage. Check around and find a therapy lab that offers them or ask your doctor to help you find one. My PCP orders mine. Many of their patients are breast cancer patients. I get ne every two weeks. Have done it for years, literally.

I also sleep with my feet elevated on a pillow simply to help overnight. This really helps. Many years ago a doctor told me that as we grow older gravity is no longer a friend.

I put a towel over my pillow because I would kick it off the bed every night. That solved that problem. My hips are on the towel as are my feet.

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@ess77
Elizabeth, you are an inspiration! Today is my third day back up to 25mg and it's not eliminating the increased pain that began on my four days of 20mg. I intend to stay at 25mg until the pain is mostly gone before I try any taper. I'm also going to discuss options other than prednisone. Things may become more clear after I see the hematologist and find out why my Free Kappa Lt Chains are markedly elevated at 143.7 mg/L (Normal: 3.3–19.4) and my Kappa/Lambda Ratio is 8.21 (Normal: 0.26–1.65). Thanks for sharing your story. My thoughts and prayers are with you!

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@kjoed53 Please stay on 25mg until the pain is gone, not mostly gone. I also have anemia of an unknown cause that returns every time I get off of prednisone. Have you researched if prednisone messes with your Free Kappa Lt Chains? I use my AI engine for this type question. Prednisone messes with anything it finds - it does not understand MYOB protocol

When I was first Dx with PMR I saw three hematologist, one retried on me. I had a bone marrow biopsy early on. The last one told me the problems were "in my blood not with my blood". Meaning the bone marrow was good, manufacturing was good. That is what the hematologist is concerned with. Your blood picks up trash throughout your system and your liver and kidneys clean it out. I wish you a good visit with your hematologist.

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@elizabethannr If you are on a 3 week schedule you might try what I did when I got below 5mg. During week one I would alternate between the lower dose and then the higher dose two to three times during that week. Then weeks 2 and 3 stay on the lower dose. I hit my pain wall around 3.5mg. You could also go to a 4 week schedule since you are in the final lap and that is the challenge lap for your adrenals.
I have tried more than once to get off of prednisone and it eludes me. I was recently Dx with GCA yet never had any symptoms so we are now trying to find me a biologic I can tolerate.
Fighting PMR unfortunately seems to become a full time job. I go on 2 cruises a year and have started looking for cruises that depart and/or return to a US port. The Panama Canal was my choice this year. My third time thru and still as fascinating as the first time.

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@jabrown0407 Yes, I have been doing the slow alternate taper and it really helps. Some days my shoulders hurt like heck while I am still in bed, but after Im up awhile it becomes tolerable. We're already booked in on our next cruise for 18 months from now. We follow the jet lag diet: Argonne National Laboratory Anti-jet-lag Diet and take homeopathic anti jet lag pills as well as try our best for a direct flight so that really helps.

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I've been decreasing by 1mg every 10 days. Started at 25mg, got to 14mg, but pain returned. Not as bad as beginning, but its hindering my daily routines again. Went back to 14.5mg. Hoping that helps, but after 2nd day there, not much better. Im bummed because it was going so well. I'm wondering also about a biologic like kevzara to help get off prednisone.

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@mech As others have said, my self experience says your taper is tooooo fast.
Dr told me no more than 10% taper and stay on it for 3-4 weeks.
You have no info on how long your journey, age etc.
Sometimes you have to go up to go down.

Also Kevzara was great for me. Started at 8mg prednisone. I had been on pred rollercoaster for a year….

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