PSA change from < .04 to < 0.1: Problem or no big deal?

Posted by johnny8924 @johnny8924, Mar 3 12:20pm

My last PSA result on November 4, 2025 was < .04. Today the result was < 0.1 Should I be concerned or is it no big deal? I'm 73 years old, Gleason 9 diagnosed August 2024, began Orgovyx August 2024, then 28 sessions of IMRT radiation, completed April 2025. Testosterone less than 1. Thank you for your thoughts, recommendations, etc!

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@johnny8924 -- I've also used a single lab and had exactly the same difference in results at different times (ie. "< .1" and ",.04"). In my case, I got a (free) user account on the lab's web site and was able to print a "report" of each test. That report allowed me to see that they had used different types of machine (with different sensitivity) to measure the psa. I know the doctor orders for the psa test were identical, but I suspect the lab just used the more sensitive test for their convenience. I believe with the "< .04" and "< .1", the "< " symbol is indicating that the psa was unmeasurable on that machine. All that said, it never hurts to discuss it with your doctor or the lab. Best wishes.

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@retireditguy That is the best explanation I have heard explaining the variations in PSA lab results. Thank you.

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@retireditguy That is the best explanation I have heard explaining the variations in PSA lab results. Thank you.

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@ucla2025 -- Your welcome. I just noticed I wrote ",.04" when I meant "< .04". Ugh. I need to get better at proofreading, but clearly you knew what I meant 🙂 Best wishes.

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@johnny8924 -- I've also used a single lab and had exactly the same difference in results at different times (ie. "< .1" and ",.04"). In my case, I got a (free) user account on the lab's web site and was able to print a "report" of each test. That report allowed me to see that they had used different types of machine (with different sensitivity) to measure the psa. I know the doctor orders for the psa test were identical, but I suspect the lab just used the more sensitive test for their convenience. I believe with the "< .04" and "< .1", the "< " symbol is indicating that the psa was unmeasurable on that machine. All that said, it never hurts to discuss it with your doctor or the lab. Best wishes.

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@retireditguy An ultra sensitive PSA test should never be reported as less than .1. Make sure that all tests going forward are done by the same ultra sensitive method.
Results should be reported to the nearest 0.01.

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I personally would want to have my PSA tested every 3 months if it hit .1 After radiation. This may or may not be an issue. Sometimes the PSA can bounce around a little yours is just a little more than double, How long a period of time between PSA tests? The standard for having treatment after having your initial radiation prostate cancer treatment Is that you wait until your PSA hits two points above the minimum, which would be 2.04. There’s actually no reason to wait that long at 1.04 you could get a PSMA pet test to see if there is a metastasis found somewhere causing this PSA rise. If there is, it can be a zapped with SBRT radiation.

This is something you should discuss with a medical oncologist And a radiation oncologist. If your PSA continues to rise.

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@jeffmarc Good thoughts here Jeff . In this case I was thinking the same thing. Maybe every 3 months is best , as it seems to be bouncing around and is G9 in nature . Could be radiation bounce ...but best he talk to his team to get a full evaluation of what they think and options. I am on every 6 months now (from3 months) . Although I like the PSA anxiety break , I could be sitting on the couch with PSA fluctuations and dont even know it . Im at 0.066 , 5 year post operation , and 2 year post 22 sessions of EBRT radiation. I have been reading up on dormant or normal cells that CAN exist after a Operation , then radiation. The radiation does not tend to kill the healthy cells (normal cells) and goes after the PC cells. More common than I thought . This is what the Dr's say is up with my low level of PSA moving sideways , after operation and radiation. Have you heard of this . Quite common they say . Hope your doing well ... James

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How do I find out if my recent PSA reading was based on/ not based on an ultra sensitive test? Contact the Quest lab?

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How do I find out if my recent PSA reading was based on/ not based on an ultra sensitive test? Contact the Quest lab?

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@johnny8924 Sometimes it’s mentioned on the test report.

Also, be sure to ask the right question. There are some ultrasensitive PSA tests that measure down to 0.x, others down to 0.0x, and others down to 0.00x. (The cancer center that I go to measures PSA down to 0.008, but there’s no mention of it being “ultrasensitive.”)

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How do I find out if my recent PSA reading was based on/ not based on an ultra sensitive test? Contact the Quest lab?

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@johnny8924
If the result is reported to two places after the decimal it is from an "ultrasensitive" method. A quick search turned up the following: For Quest the lower limit of accurate quantification is 0.02 ng/mL. Results below this level are reported as < 0.02 ng/mL. Labcorp may report down to 0.014 ng/mL
Labcorp results are said to run about 20% higher than Quest.
Because of differences in calibration and equipment, results from Quest and Labcorp cannot be used interchangeably for serial monitoring. It is recommended to use the same lab consistently to accurately track trends over time.

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Here’s what my Quest Lab informed me about the differences in my PSA test results:
“For your test on March 2, 2026, your PSA test was performed using the Beckman Coulter immunoassay method. Result was < .1 .
For your test on November 4, 2025, your PSA result was derived using the Siemens chemiluminescent method. Result was < .04. These results cannot be used interchangeably.

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Here’s what my Quest Lab informed me about the differences in my PSA test results:
“For your test on March 2, 2026, your PSA test was performed using the Beckman Coulter immunoassay method. Result was < .1 .
For your test on November 4, 2025, your PSA result was derived using the Siemens chemiluminescent method. Result was < .04. These results cannot be used interchangeably.

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@johnny8924
You still didn’t get the correct answer from them. Was the < .1 Result due to a test that was not ultra sensitive? Knowing what kind of test is done is totally irrelevant Since the Technical information about what kind of test was Dunn doesn’t answer that question.

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@johnny8924
You still didn’t get the correct answer from them. Was the < .1 Result due to a test that was not ultra sensitive? Knowing what kind of test is done is totally irrelevant Since the Technical information about what kind of test was Dunn doesn’t answer that question.

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@jeffmarc Actually, the method information is relevant, but only if you are a clinical lab person. They should have explained that the immunoassay is used for screening or following people who have not undergone therapy for PC. It is not ultrasensitive, as evidenced by the fact that numbers below 0.1 are not reported. This latest result is not informative and the test should be repeated with the order specifying the ultrasensitive (chemiluminescent) method.
Actually, Quest should have done this automatically since a previous result was done by this method.

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