Small Fiber Neuropathy biopsy test results

Posted by joannemm34293 @joannemm30809, Jul 1, 2022

Last month I had a small fiber neuropathy biopsies of my left leg. Three skin biopsies were taken. One above the outside of my ankle, another near outside of my knee and another at upper outer thigh area.

The ankle and knee area biopsy came back negative but the upper outer thigh area nearer my hip came back positive.

How can I have two negative locations in my left leg for small fiber neuropathy yet the one on the outer side closer to where my thigh joins my hip was positive.?

Can anybody give any insight as to how this can be because I have sharp pains in my feet and pins and needles for 3 years now but the locations near my ankle and my knee were negative but the one nearer my outer thigh near my hip was positive.

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Thanks for your response. I am fairly close to a couple teaching hospitals. I do have a referral in to another neurology group in town too.

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Hello! I came upon this forum when researching Small Fiber Neuropathy. I developed symptoms in March of 2025 out of nowhere. I was crafting and sitting Indian style on my floor, and my lower leg fell asleep, only it didn’t wake up when I changed positions. I will admit I waited a few days before going to the MD as I was a bit embarrassed to say that this was what happened. My family doctor thought maybe I irritated a nerve as it was only in 1 lower extremity. He prescribed a 5 day course of steroids. I took these and my symptoms exploded by the time I finished I had symptoms in my other leg and both hands/forearms. My symptoms thankfully aren’t painful yet. I have burning/cold sensations from my knee down on both legs and in my hands and forearms. Plus the pain sensation is decreased in all these areas. I went back to my pcp and he ordered an EMG with nerve conduction on all 4 extremities, however the neurologist that I went to said it isn’t normal to do all extremities and asked me which one was the worst and he did my leg and arm on that side. These results were normal. Which raised concerns that it might be MS given my age and I’m female. My pcp ordered a full set of MRIs. It didn’t show any signs of MS. It did show some other back things, so they sent me to a neurosurgeon. He told me that he wasn’t sure my symptoms were caused by my back and if you randomly MRI people’s whole spine you will find lots of people have these things. He had me do a cervical nerve block and stated if my upper extremity symptoms got better then it was probably spine related. I wasn’t completely sold on this line of thinking, but went ahead and did this procedure. It went well, however instead of getting rid of my symptoms it again exacerbated them and I had my symptoms in my back and chest for a few days, then thankfully this went away. When I went back the to NS, he still pushed to do neck surgery “to see if it works” I said no, as that made no sense to me to trial neck surgery when you told me you don’t think it’s the cause and you told me my lower spine findings definitely weren’t the cause of at least 1 side of my symptoms since it was only on the other side. I have chosen not to go back to this MD and asked for a neurology referral as a second opinion. This is around October 2025 by now. My symptoms are the same in type, but continue to spread further up on my extremities. The neurologist listened to my symptoms etc. and immediately said we should do a punch biopsy this sounds like SFN. And if it is we will do lots of testing to see if we can find the underlying cause. I did the biopsy, waited the couple weeks for the results, and then got a call that said that my results weren’t convincing for SFN. When I said ok and asked what was next, he said nothing, he couldn’t do anything else for me and told me to go back to my pcp. My pcp tested me for vitamin B12 deficiency, my B12 was 466 so mid range normal, but my folate was elevated. When I read up on this it said a high folate could mask a B12 deficiency, but when I asked my pcp. He said my results were fine. So, I have been dealing with my symptoms and no explanation since that time. I had a follow up with my pcp this month and asked to be referred for a second opinion as I have now developed that pins and needles sensation in my left hand. I then followed up to get my actual test results from the neurologist as I hadn’t actually seen my biopsy results, I just had the message from him, when I got them yesterday it showed that my thigh biopsy was normal, but my calf biopsy was slightly below the normal range listed on the paper. The paper results said it’s consistent with SFN. I did more research and found that it’s not unheard of for length dependent SFN to have this result. I reached back out to the neurologist to clarify why he thought it wasn’t convincing of SFN. His nurse called me today and said that since my thigh was normal and my result on my calf wasn’t less than 3, that it’s not convincing of SFN and I probably don’t have it. I have scoured all things SFN between yesterday and today and I think he’s wrong. Everything I read and all the symptoms I’m having point directly to this. I am so frustrated and concerned that I have some underlying serious condition I am unaware of and no one wants to help me. They just keep telling me sometimes we just don’t know. I’m not buying that when I haven’t been tested for all the things that could cause my symptoms and the fact that these were a sudden onset and not a gradual onset. I don’t have any underlying health conditions that I’m aware of, no DM, no heart issues, Etc. the progression in the last 11 months has been rapid.
Did anyone else go through this battle to find an answer and any advice on who to go to next to get some answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read my story.

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Profile picture for holly427 @holly427

Hello! I came upon this forum when researching Small Fiber Neuropathy. I developed symptoms in March of 2025 out of nowhere. I was crafting and sitting Indian style on my floor, and my lower leg fell asleep, only it didn’t wake up when I changed positions. I will admit I waited a few days before going to the MD as I was a bit embarrassed to say that this was what happened. My family doctor thought maybe I irritated a nerve as it was only in 1 lower extremity. He prescribed a 5 day course of steroids. I took these and my symptoms exploded by the time I finished I had symptoms in my other leg and both hands/forearms. My symptoms thankfully aren’t painful yet. I have burning/cold sensations from my knee down on both legs and in my hands and forearms. Plus the pain sensation is decreased in all these areas. I went back to my pcp and he ordered an EMG with nerve conduction on all 4 extremities, however the neurologist that I went to said it isn’t normal to do all extremities and asked me which one was the worst and he did my leg and arm on that side. These results were normal. Which raised concerns that it might be MS given my age and I’m female. My pcp ordered a full set of MRIs. It didn’t show any signs of MS. It did show some other back things, so they sent me to a neurosurgeon. He told me that he wasn’t sure my symptoms were caused by my back and if you randomly MRI people’s whole spine you will find lots of people have these things. He had me do a cervical nerve block and stated if my upper extremity symptoms got better then it was probably spine related. I wasn’t completely sold on this line of thinking, but went ahead and did this procedure. It went well, however instead of getting rid of my symptoms it again exacerbated them and I had my symptoms in my back and chest for a few days, then thankfully this went away. When I went back the to NS, he still pushed to do neck surgery “to see if it works” I said no, as that made no sense to me to trial neck surgery when you told me you don’t think it’s the cause and you told me my lower spine findings definitely weren’t the cause of at least 1 side of my symptoms since it was only on the other side. I have chosen not to go back to this MD and asked for a neurology referral as a second opinion. This is around October 2025 by now. My symptoms are the same in type, but continue to spread further up on my extremities. The neurologist listened to my symptoms etc. and immediately said we should do a punch biopsy this sounds like SFN. And if it is we will do lots of testing to see if we can find the underlying cause. I did the biopsy, waited the couple weeks for the results, and then got a call that said that my results weren’t convincing for SFN. When I said ok and asked what was next, he said nothing, he couldn’t do anything else for me and told me to go back to my pcp. My pcp tested me for vitamin B12 deficiency, my B12 was 466 so mid range normal, but my folate was elevated. When I read up on this it said a high folate could mask a B12 deficiency, but when I asked my pcp. He said my results were fine. So, I have been dealing with my symptoms and no explanation since that time. I had a follow up with my pcp this month and asked to be referred for a second opinion as I have now developed that pins and needles sensation in my left hand. I then followed up to get my actual test results from the neurologist as I hadn’t actually seen my biopsy results, I just had the message from him, when I got them yesterday it showed that my thigh biopsy was normal, but my calf biopsy was slightly below the normal range listed on the paper. The paper results said it’s consistent with SFN. I did more research and found that it’s not unheard of for length dependent SFN to have this result. I reached back out to the neurologist to clarify why he thought it wasn’t convincing of SFN. His nurse called me today and said that since my thigh was normal and my result on my calf wasn’t less than 3, that it’s not convincing of SFN and I probably don’t have it. I have scoured all things SFN between yesterday and today and I think he’s wrong. Everything I read and all the symptoms I’m having point directly to this. I am so frustrated and concerned that I have some underlying serious condition I am unaware of and no one wants to help me. They just keep telling me sometimes we just don’t know. I’m not buying that when I haven’t been tested for all the things that could cause my symptoms and the fact that these were a sudden onset and not a gradual onset. I don’t have any underlying health conditions that I’m aware of, no DM, no heart issues, Etc. the progression in the last 11 months has been rapid.
Did anyone else go through this battle to find an answer and any advice on who to go to next to get some answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read my story.

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@holly427 i had a similar situation, and I would go back to your P.CP and insist on her ordering a methylmalonic acid (MMA) test. It is just a simple blood draw and it will confirm whether you have functional B12 deficiency. I had a functional B12 deficiency because of elevated folate for 7 years and it caused irreversible nerve damage. So even though you're a biopsy may have come back negative, a long-term, undetected b12 deficiency can have many of the same symptoms as small fiber neuropathy. It is also possible that the nerves in those other two locations just aren't as far along in the disease progression. Just a theory

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Hello,
I’m really sorry about your dilemma. However, I’m wondering why they took 3 biopsies from you since, at least in my case where I had it done, they only took from two spots. Moreover, you might need a sweat test with the tilt table test in order to check further. I had those twice. The first time was negative. But the second time a few months later was positive. This is just a thought.
I wish you the best.
Take care and have a serene rest of your weekend,
gus

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From my understand SFN is known to be patchy. I have never really had a good explanation as to why but I think part of it maybe due to different types of sensory nerves in different areas? If anyone can clarify this it would be great. For example C Fibres that do warm and hot, A-delta type that do cold. I also think that not only nerve fibre density matters but the morphology. C Fibres have no myelin sheath but a-delta fibres do so I postulate that you could have a normal nerve fibre density but the myelin sheath could still be damaged.

This is my thinking but I have been unable to confirm or deny it.

Jon

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I have been diagnosed with SFN and dysautonomia, and had a negative skin biopsy. I’m a patient at Mass General, which has a good neurology department. The neuromuscular specialist who ordered the test said that skin biopsies are good for confirming SFN, but not good at ruling it out: few false positives, but relatively many false negatives.

Only an expert could tell you the odds of having SFN given two negative test results, but it probably depends to some degree on who does the biopsy and who evaluates the sample. Mine was done by an expert (Anne Oaklander), but was sent to an outside lab for evaluation. In one of her talks, Oaklamder stressed the importance of having the biopsy evaluated by experts.

Hope that is at least a little helpful Best of luck

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@larry4343 How lucky you are to have Anne Oaklander on your team! Her lectures of SFN (available on YouTube are the best I've found for understanding the disorder. She's a great teacher.

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I'm sorry you're having trouble getting answers. I empathize. I had a skin punch biopsy done by a neurologist to see if I had Parkinson's (I don't). This procedure usually involves taking skin from three places, as yours did. The samples are then sent to a lab that specializes in analyzing them, and then the analysis goes to your doctor (and you, if you use a patient portal).

According to the research out there, the test is highly accurate for all kinds of diseases/disorders. The problem is that in research years, this test is a fairly recent addition to most doctors' magic bag of tricks, so some doctors may not be sure how to interpret the results and the usually brief analysis. My neurologist was familiar with the test as a PD screening tool, but she doesn't know a whole lot about SFN, so I've had to do some research on my own while finding the right doctor. The skin biopsy plus other test results indicate that I have an autoimmune disease, and I have an appointment the end of this month with a rheumatologist who specializes in them.

As I understand it, the biopsy is checking the density of the small fibers/nerves in your skin, the ones that are too small to be measured by an EMG. My results showed different numbers for the three different biopsy spots. My SFN is worse on my left side and worse down by the feet, less bad as it goes up the leg. That matches up with where I am the most numb.

That's about as far as my knowledge goes at this point, but I agree with the others who suggest that you find a doctor/specialist who's an expert. In the meantime, here's a link to an overview of SFN and testing that might be helpful. Good luck!

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