Small Fiber Neuropathy biopsy test results

Posted by joannemm34293 @joannemm30809, Jul 1, 2022

Last month I had a small fiber neuropathy biopsies of my left leg. Three skin biopsies were taken. One above the outside of my ankle, another near outside of my knee and another at upper outer thigh area.

The ankle and knee area biopsy came back negative but the upper outer thigh area nearer my hip came back positive.

How can I have two negative locations in my left leg for small fiber neuropathy yet the one on the outer side closer to where my thigh joins my hip was positive.?

Can anybody give any insight as to how this can be because I have sharp pains in my feet and pins and needles for 3 years now but the locations near my ankle and my knee were negative but the one nearer my outer thigh near my hip was positive.

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I am so glad I found this forum. I am a 34 male, always healthy and active at the gym. However , back in 2016 I had a brief electric shot like sensation on both cheeks while brushing my teeth, and slowly started to have strange sensations on my face, TMJ and headaches, but it was not until 2019 when I developed a sudden burning pain in both legs, both arms and in both side of the face, I lived a somehow normal with this pain, but in Oct 2023, I developed sudden autonomic symptoms (shortness of breath upon standing and exertion, tachycardia, dizziness, flushing, chest pain and weakness in legs upon standing and walking. My neurologist believe it is SFN with dysautinomia but my most recent skin biopsy came back normal, in fact, the nerve density on my calf has increased compared to my results in 2020. I have a history of exposure to medications that are known for impacting the peripheral nerves, but with two normal skin biopsies, I am so concerned that I might have to continue testing to hopefully get a diagnosis, this is tiring !

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Welcome @issapi04, The journey to get a diagnosis and a treatment that helps can be tiring to say the least. I don't think you are alone. There are many discussions and comments on autonomic neuropathy that you might want to scan through to learn what others have shared. You can find the discussions and comments using this search results link - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/search/discussions/.

I think one of the best things you can do to help yourself is learn as much as you can about your condition and what treatments are available. You mentioned exposure to medications that are known for impacting the peripheral nerves. Are you still on the same medications?

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I am so glad I found this forum. I am a 34 male, always healthy and active at the gym. However , back in 2016 I had a brief electric shot like sensation on both cheeks while brushing my teeth, and slowly started to have strange sensations on my face, TMJ and headaches, but it was not until 2019 when I developed a sudden burning pain in both legs, both arms and in both side of the face, I lived a somehow normal with this pain, but in Oct 2023, I developed sudden autonomic symptoms (shortness of breath upon standing and exertion, tachycardia, dizziness, flushing, chest pain and weakness in legs upon standing and walking. My neurologist believe it is SFN with dysautinomia but my most recent skin biopsy came back normal, in fact, the nerve density on my calf has increased compared to my results in 2020. I have a history of exposure to medications that are known for impacting the peripheral nerves, but with two normal skin biopsies, I am so concerned that I might have to continue testing to hopefully get a diagnosis, this is tiring !

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I have been diagnosed with SFN and dysautonomia, and had a negative skin biopsy. I’m a patient at Mass General, which has a good neurology department. The neuromuscular specialist who ordered the test said that skin biopsies are good for confirming SFN, but not good at ruling it out: few false positives, but relatively many false negatives.

Only an expert could tell you the odds of having SFN given two negative test results, but it probably depends to some degree on who does the biopsy and who evaluates the sample. Mine was done by an expert (Anne Oaklander), but was sent to an outside lab for evaluation. In one of her talks, Oaklamder stressed the importance of having the biopsy evaluated by experts.

Hope that is at least a little helpful Best of luck

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Hi Joanne; OMG! I had the same exact results after skin biopsy done at USF Tampa. Also only have symptoms in the feet and calves. I was just diagnosed with breast cancer and totally believe that my SFN symptoms were a result of the tumor. I would really love to chat. Please email me at msflea59@aol.com and we can connect by phone.

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I have stabbing, lightning, stinging, burning pains in feet that are excruciating. The neuro said at last visit, after nerve function studies that I have chronic severe nerve damage ; polyradiculopathy in lumbar and c spine which causes horrendous spasms in legs and the right side of my back (last area ; lumbosacral area and feet since 11/2021.

In the summer of 2023 I started to develop spasms in the traps pain in shoulders (one has ripped rotator cuff).

The flare I’m in has newer symptoms. I’ve been having now lightning like pain to surface of skin in bottoms of feet and edges. The starting symptoms back in 2021 is now happening in both shoulders: hands and wrists…shoulder pain with tingling and pains and some numb feeling sensations to some fingers I had pain and light swelling the the outside wrists in similar time frame.

I take now after calling neuro on call who. Said it doesn’t sound like polyradiculopathy and she doubled my lyrica to 150 in am and 150 in pm and prescribed a strong muscle relaxer. The thing is I think it helped the spasm in feet but It caused the back pains I have to become more severe so I went back to the baclofen which I tolerate. ‘

The neuro at last visit said per the nerve study I didn’t have long fiber neuropathy and the only way to diagnose small fiber neuropathy was via a biopsy. I didn’t ask for a biopsy because I didn’t think there is treatment for it. She was going to do a spinal tap then decided not and put me on a ridiculously restrictive unsustainable anti inflammatory diet. I followed best ability for a month, beyond that sorry I need to eat chicken. I can’t live only on fish and eliminate all other meats and severely eliminate some food groups!

How coud a biopsy to find small fiber neuropathy help in treatments? What kind of treatments are offered to help pain?

Pain Mamet gave me shots in back it helped wanted to do ablation or epidural which neuro didn’t think woud be good for my balance which is really effected (use a cane). Im and can’t see a future with this kind of pain. Who does the biopsy? Is it the neuro? Someone else? All I can say is I’’m not sure the lyrica is doing much. Does small fiber neuropathy cause the pain that is close to the surface of the skin? I tried to massage foot and pain shot through the area. The nerve study also showed neuropathy in one forearm but not in legs (large fiber). This visit maybe she will want another nerve study I don’t know. I just know this is not a life. If this keeps up I’ll need a wheelchair to get around. Came close to it last week. So I’m waiting for doctors visits to help. Maybe someone can diagnose cause of my polyradiculopathy that is bilateral. Something new for a few months now is when I burn hands under hot water the sensation runs down body through back of legs and feet instantly. It stays until I can apply cool water. THat is just weird to me. Does anyone have that and know what it is?

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I have stabbing, lightning, stinging, burning pains in feet that are excruciating. The neuro said at last visit, after nerve function studies that I have chronic severe nerve damage ; polyradiculopathy in lumbar and c spine which causes horrendous spasms in legs and the right side of my back (last area ; lumbosacral area and feet since 11/2021.

In the summer of 2023 I started to develop spasms in the traps pain in shoulders (one has ripped rotator cuff).

The flare I’m in has newer symptoms. I’ve been having now lightning like pain to surface of skin in bottoms of feet and edges. The starting symptoms back in 2021 is now happening in both shoulders: hands and wrists…shoulder pain with tingling and pains and some numb feeling sensations to some fingers I had pain and light swelling the the outside wrists in similar time frame.

I take now after calling neuro on call who. Said it doesn’t sound like polyradiculopathy and she doubled my lyrica to 150 in am and 150 in pm and prescribed a strong muscle relaxer. The thing is I think it helped the spasm in feet but It caused the back pains I have to become more severe so I went back to the baclofen which I tolerate. ‘

The neuro at last visit said per the nerve study I didn’t have long fiber neuropathy and the only way to diagnose small fiber neuropathy was via a biopsy. I didn’t ask for a biopsy because I didn’t think there is treatment for it. She was going to do a spinal tap then decided not and put me on a ridiculously restrictive unsustainable anti inflammatory diet. I followed best ability for a month, beyond that sorry I need to eat chicken. I can’t live only on fish and eliminate all other meats and severely eliminate some food groups!

How coud a biopsy to find small fiber neuropathy help in treatments? What kind of treatments are offered to help pain?

Pain Mamet gave me shots in back it helped wanted to do ablation or epidural which neuro didn’t think woud be good for my balance which is really effected (use a cane). Im and can’t see a future with this kind of pain. Who does the biopsy? Is it the neuro? Someone else? All I can say is I’’m not sure the lyrica is doing much. Does small fiber neuropathy cause the pain that is close to the surface of the skin? I tried to massage foot and pain shot through the area. The nerve study also showed neuropathy in one forearm but not in legs (large fiber). This visit maybe she will want another nerve study I don’t know. I just know this is not a life. If this keeps up I’ll need a wheelchair to get around. Came close to it last week. So I’m waiting for doctors visits to help. Maybe someone can diagnose cause of my polyradiculopathy that is bilateral. Something new for a few months now is when I burn hands under hot water the sensation runs down body through back of legs and feet instantly. It stays until I can apply cool water. THat is just weird to me. Does anyone have that and know what it is?

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Did your Neuro doc check for oncoming Parkinson's diease? My sister started having foot then leg pains, burning, freezing, and numb feelings.

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Did your Neuro doc check for oncoming Parkinson's diease? My sister started having foot then leg pains, burning, freezing, and numb feelings.

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Not that I am aware of. She tested for myasthenia gravis and stiff man syndrome which i thought might be silly since that is so rare but she did. Negative on the sms. Negative on mg. So, then she was to do a spinal tap and decided against it for a reason I am unaware of. But now that I have some information about me (the nerve conduction study results) I researched. So I know some questions to ask, but in the meantime I’m in a limbo and it’s really stupid at this point. Something should be glaringly obvious. Parkinson’s. Never would have crossed my mind. I don’t shake. I hurt. I don’t know what other deficits that disabling disease takes on. I know it can be a long road as are many disease processes. Mine, whatever it is, is moving right along in the “moving to other parts of the body” dept. I hope this does not do permanant preventable damage.

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Hello! I came upon this forum when researching Small Fiber Neuropathy. I developed symptoms in March of 2025 out of nowhere. I was crafting and sitting Indian style on my floor, and my lower leg fell asleep, only it didn’t wake up when I changed positions. I will admit I waited a few days before going to the MD as I was a bit embarrassed to say that this was what happened. My family doctor thought maybe I irritated a nerve as it was only in 1 lower extremity. He prescribed a 5 day course of steroids. I took these and my symptoms exploded by the time I finished I had symptoms in my other leg and both hands/forearms. My symptoms thankfully aren’t painful yet. I have burning/cold sensations from my knee down on both legs and in my hands and forearms. Plus the pain sensation is decreased in all these areas. I went back to my pcp and he ordered an EMG with nerve conduction on all 4 extremities, however the neurologist that I went to said it isn’t normal to do all extremities and asked me which one was the worst and he did my leg and arm on that side. These results were normal. Which raised concerns that it might be MS given my age and I’m female. My pcp ordered a full set of MRIs. It didn’t show any signs of MS. It did show some other back things, so they sent me to a neurosurgeon. He told me that he wasn’t sure my symptoms were caused by my back and if you randomly MRI people’s whole spine you will find lots of people have these things. He had me do a cervical nerve block and stated if my upper extremity symptoms got better then it was probably spine related. I wasn’t completely sold on this line of thinking, but went ahead and did this procedure. It went well, however instead of getting rid of my symptoms it again exacerbated them and I had my symptoms in my back and chest for a few days, then thankfully this went away. When I went back the to NS, he still pushed to do neck surgery “to see if it works” I said no, as that made no sense to me to trial neck surgery when you told me you don’t think it’s the cause and you told me my lower spine findings definitely weren’t the cause of at least 1 side of my symptoms since it was only on the other side. I have chosen not to go back to this MD and asked for a neurology referral as a second opinion. This is around October 2025 by now. My symptoms are the same in type, but continue to spread further up on my extremities. The neurologist listened to my symptoms etc. and immediately said we should do a punch biopsy this sounds like SFN. And if it is we will do lots of testing to see if we can find the underlying cause. I did the biopsy, waited the couple weeks for the results, and then got a call that said that my results weren’t convincing for SFN. When I said ok and asked what was next, he said nothing, he couldn’t do anything else for me and told me to go back to my pcp. My pcp tested me for vitamin B12 deficiency, my B12 was 466 so mid range normal, but my folate was elevated. When I read up on this it said a high folate could mask a B12 deficiency, but when I asked my pcp. He said my results were fine. So, I have been dealing with my symptoms and no explanation since that time. I had a follow up with my pcp this month and asked to be referred for a second opinion as I have now developed that pins and needles sensation in my left hand. I then followed up to get my actual test results from the neurologist as I hadn’t actually seen my biopsy results, I just had the message from him, when I got them yesterday it showed that my thigh biopsy was normal, but my calf biopsy was slightly below the normal range listed on the paper. The paper results said it’s consistent with SFN. I did more research and found that it’s not unheard of for length dependent SFN to have this result. I reached back out to the neurologist to clarify why he thought it wasn’t convincing of SFN. His nurse called me today and said that since my thigh was normal and my result on my calf wasn’t less than 3, that it’s not convincing of SFN and I probably don’t have it. I have scoured all things SFN between yesterday and today and I think he’s wrong. Everything I read and all the symptoms I’m having point directly to this. I am so frustrated and concerned that I have some underlying serious condition I am unaware of and no one wants to help me. They just keep telling me sometimes we just don’t know. I’m not buying that when I haven’t been tested for all the things that could cause my symptoms and the fact that these were a sudden onset and not a gradual onset. I don’t have any underlying health conditions that I’m aware of, no DM, no heart issues, Etc. the progression in the last 11 months has been rapid.
Did anyone else go through this battle to find an answer and any advice on who to go to next to get some answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read my story.

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Hello! I came upon this forum when researching Small Fiber Neuropathy. I developed symptoms in March of 2025 out of nowhere. I was crafting and sitting Indian style on my floor, and my lower leg fell asleep, only it didn’t wake up when I changed positions. I will admit I waited a few days before going to the MD as I was a bit embarrassed to say that this was what happened. My family doctor thought maybe I irritated a nerve as it was only in 1 lower extremity. He prescribed a 5 day course of steroids. I took these and my symptoms exploded by the time I finished I had symptoms in my other leg and both hands/forearms. My symptoms thankfully aren’t painful yet. I have burning/cold sensations from my knee down on both legs and in my hands and forearms. Plus the pain sensation is decreased in all these areas. I went back to my pcp and he ordered an EMG with nerve conduction on all 4 extremities, however the neurologist that I went to said it isn’t normal to do all extremities and asked me which one was the worst and he did my leg and arm on that side. These results were normal. Which raised concerns that it might be MS given my age and I’m female. My pcp ordered a full set of MRIs. It didn’t show any signs of MS. It did show some other back things, so they sent me to a neurosurgeon. He told me that he wasn’t sure my symptoms were caused by my back and if you randomly MRI people’s whole spine you will find lots of people have these things. He had me do a cervical nerve block and stated if my upper extremity symptoms got better then it was probably spine related. I wasn’t completely sold on this line of thinking, but went ahead and did this procedure. It went well, however instead of getting rid of my symptoms it again exacerbated them and I had my symptoms in my back and chest for a few days, then thankfully this went away. When I went back the to NS, he still pushed to do neck surgery “to see if it works” I said no, as that made no sense to me to trial neck surgery when you told me you don’t think it’s the cause and you told me my lower spine findings definitely weren’t the cause of at least 1 side of my symptoms since it was only on the other side. I have chosen not to go back to this MD and asked for a neurology referral as a second opinion. This is around October 2025 by now. My symptoms are the same in type, but continue to spread further up on my extremities. The neurologist listened to my symptoms etc. and immediately said we should do a punch biopsy this sounds like SFN. And if it is we will do lots of testing to see if we can find the underlying cause. I did the biopsy, waited the couple weeks for the results, and then got a call that said that my results weren’t convincing for SFN. When I said ok and asked what was next, he said nothing, he couldn’t do anything else for me and told me to go back to my pcp. My pcp tested me for vitamin B12 deficiency, my B12 was 466 so mid range normal, but my folate was elevated. When I read up on this it said a high folate could mask a B12 deficiency, but when I asked my pcp. He said my results were fine. So, I have been dealing with my symptoms and no explanation since that time. I had a follow up with my pcp this month and asked to be referred for a second opinion as I have now developed that pins and needles sensation in my left hand. I then followed up to get my actual test results from the neurologist as I hadn’t actually seen my biopsy results, I just had the message from him, when I got them yesterday it showed that my thigh biopsy was normal, but my calf biopsy was slightly below the normal range listed on the paper. The paper results said it’s consistent with SFN. I did more research and found that it’s not unheard of for length dependent SFN to have this result. I reached back out to the neurologist to clarify why he thought it wasn’t convincing of SFN. His nurse called me today and said that since my thigh was normal and my result on my calf wasn’t less than 3, that it’s not convincing of SFN and I probably don’t have it. I have scoured all things SFN between yesterday and today and I think he’s wrong. Everything I read and all the symptoms I’m having point directly to this. I am so frustrated and concerned that I have some underlying serious condition I am unaware of and no one wants to help me. They just keep telling me sometimes we just don’t know. I’m not buying that when I haven’t been tested for all the things that could cause my symptoms and the fact that these were a sudden onset and not a gradual onset. I don’t have any underlying health conditions that I’m aware of, no DM, no heart issues, Etc. the progression in the last 11 months has been rapid.
Did anyone else go through this battle to find an answer and any advice on who to go to next to get some answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read my story.

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Welcome @holly427, Sorry to hear that you haven't found much help in diagnosing the cause of your symptoms after seeing so many doctors and going through so many different tests. I was diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy but my only symptoms are some tingling along with numbness in my feet and legs with no pain. They think mine is possibly genetic but I'm thinking mine is more likely related to me being pre-diabetic most of my adult life and related to a connection with the metabolic syndrome which is a category that I am in.

You mentioned have some labs for vitamin deficiencies but there are a lot of tests that can determine other medical reasons for neuropathy. Neuropathy Commons has some information that might be helpful for learning more here:
-- Blood Tests to Identify Medical Causes of Neuropathy:
https://neuropathycommons.org/diagnosis/blood-tests
Have you thought about getting a second opinion at a teaching hospital or major health facility like Mayo Clinic?

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Hello,

Thanks for the link, I will check it out. Yes, I have been thinking that it might be time for a 2nd opinion outside of where I live,

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Hello! I came upon this forum when researching Small Fiber Neuropathy. I developed symptoms in March of 2025 out of nowhere. I was crafting and sitting Indian style on my floor, and my lower leg fell asleep, only it didn’t wake up when I changed positions. I will admit I waited a few days before going to the MD as I was a bit embarrassed to say that this was what happened. My family doctor thought maybe I irritated a nerve as it was only in 1 lower extremity. He prescribed a 5 day course of steroids. I took these and my symptoms exploded by the time I finished I had symptoms in my other leg and both hands/forearms. My symptoms thankfully aren’t painful yet. I have burning/cold sensations from my knee down on both legs and in my hands and forearms. Plus the pain sensation is decreased in all these areas. I went back to my pcp and he ordered an EMG with nerve conduction on all 4 extremities, however the neurologist that I went to said it isn’t normal to do all extremities and asked me which one was the worst and he did my leg and arm on that side. These results were normal. Which raised concerns that it might be MS given my age and I’m female. My pcp ordered a full set of MRIs. It didn’t show any signs of MS. It did show some other back things, so they sent me to a neurosurgeon. He told me that he wasn’t sure my symptoms were caused by my back and if you randomly MRI people’s whole spine you will find lots of people have these things. He had me do a cervical nerve block and stated if my upper extremity symptoms got better then it was probably spine related. I wasn’t completely sold on this line of thinking, but went ahead and did this procedure. It went well, however instead of getting rid of my symptoms it again exacerbated them and I had my symptoms in my back and chest for a few days, then thankfully this went away. When I went back the to NS, he still pushed to do neck surgery “to see if it works” I said no, as that made no sense to me to trial neck surgery when you told me you don’t think it’s the cause and you told me my lower spine findings definitely weren’t the cause of at least 1 side of my symptoms since it was only on the other side. I have chosen not to go back to this MD and asked for a neurology referral as a second opinion. This is around October 2025 by now. My symptoms are the same in type, but continue to spread further up on my extremities. The neurologist listened to my symptoms etc. and immediately said we should do a punch biopsy this sounds like SFN. And if it is we will do lots of testing to see if we can find the underlying cause. I did the biopsy, waited the couple weeks for the results, and then got a call that said that my results weren’t convincing for SFN. When I said ok and asked what was next, he said nothing, he couldn’t do anything else for me and told me to go back to my pcp. My pcp tested me for vitamin B12 deficiency, my B12 was 466 so mid range normal, but my folate was elevated. When I read up on this it said a high folate could mask a B12 deficiency, but when I asked my pcp. He said my results were fine. So, I have been dealing with my symptoms and no explanation since that time. I had a follow up with my pcp this month and asked to be referred for a second opinion as I have now developed that pins and needles sensation in my left hand. I then followed up to get my actual test results from the neurologist as I hadn’t actually seen my biopsy results, I just had the message from him, when I got them yesterday it showed that my thigh biopsy was normal, but my calf biopsy was slightly below the normal range listed on the paper. The paper results said it’s consistent with SFN. I did more research and found that it’s not unheard of for length dependent SFN to have this result. I reached back out to the neurologist to clarify why he thought it wasn’t convincing of SFN. His nurse called me today and said that since my thigh was normal and my result on my calf wasn’t less than 3, that it’s not convincing of SFN and I probably don’t have it. I have scoured all things SFN between yesterday and today and I think he’s wrong. Everything I read and all the symptoms I’m having point directly to this. I am so frustrated and concerned that I have some underlying serious condition I am unaware of and no one wants to help me. They just keep telling me sometimes we just don’t know. I’m not buying that when I haven’t been tested for all the things that could cause my symptoms and the fact that these were a sudden onset and not a gradual onset. I don’t have any underlying health conditions that I’m aware of, no DM, no heart issues, Etc. the progression in the last 11 months has been rapid.
Did anyone else go through this battle to find an answer and any advice on who to go to next to get some answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read my story.

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@holly427 as someone diagnosed with SFN by biopsy, whose initial ankle results said “mild” 3 years ago, I would say your results point to SFN, because that’s what the results say! How dumb to order a biopsy then not agree with results. Incidentally, my biopsies were done on both legs, and both ankles had the same result, another indicator or SFN (symmetrical). However mine has progressed slowly compared to yours. Yes, get to a teaching hospital, even if it’s an airline flight away. Your initial visit might be a ridiculously long time away, like 8 months. But then call them weekly to ask for cancellations. Most offices are happy to check for you. I think the rapid changes you are having merit urgency. Are you within a few hours of a good teaching or research hospital? Also, is there another neuropathy group in your town? If so, read the bios of the doctors, and look for neuropathy specialists. Good luck!

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