@rollingf I posted something about this in a comment to another person. It is true, universally, that people say they want to go "home." My dad said it over and over. I suggested a couple of books on NDEs and I truly believe that our souls leave our human vessels when we pass. I also believe in Jung's version of "synchronicity" as well as connections to everything and everyone. Some connections are stronger due to the relationship and there is a knowing that we have deep withing us. There is no coincidence. Everything happens for a reason and those reasons we may or may not know, but we will at some point. We know so little about the Universe, quantum mechanics and consciousness. I have a knowing deep withing me and maybe some of you do as well. I believe that is the part of me that is connected to everything. Thank you for your post!!
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Wow! well said. I believe that our "knowing without proof" is a real part of our spirit and soul. It's referred to as noetics. We have this powerful gift because we are made in the image of God. Not necessarily hands , feet , and a beard, but with sentience and consciousness, which are the results of eating the fruit of the tree of Knowledge, which God wanted us to do, and knew we would, so we could interact with His creation and gain wisdom (hopefully). He made sure we would "eat" the "forbidden " fruit by warning us not to.
Otherwise, we'd be running around naked, innocent, and ignorant for the last 6000 years! Like Eloi.
Only we humans, made in the Image of God, have this gift . Nothing else in existence does. Mu!!!
There is synchronicity per force of the Collective Unconscious.
Billy Joel : We all start in the Ocean. We all end in the Stream. We're all carried along by The River of Dreams.
Jung was/is so right, even though he couldn't "prove" anything.
Instead of going home at last,or going to heaven,why are we not trying to build a home instead of a house,why not make it heavenly rather than believe in something for which there is no proof.What happens when we die or how we are going to die is a million dollar question.Instead of focusing on that,I prefer to focus on how I live.I am a cancer survivor of eight years and have lost my only child to cancer.Why try controlling what we can’t.Focussing on what I can is keeping me in peace.Just surrender to whatever HIS plans are with the faith and hope,HE is always there to guide us and protect us till our last breath.There is nothing to worry after that.BLISS
Instead of going home at last,or going to heaven,why are we not trying to build a home instead of a house,why not make it heavenly rather than believe in something for which there is no proof.What happens when we die or how we are going to die is a million dollar question.Instead of focusing on that,I prefer to focus on how I live.I am a cancer survivor of eight years and have lost my only child to cancer.Why try controlling what we can’t.Focussing on what I can is keeping me in peace.Just surrender to whatever HIS plans are with the faith and hope,HE is always there to guide us and protect us till our last breath.There is nothing to worry after that.BLISS
A Clint Eastwood movie has the right ex[;anation. He is trying to make a peace deal for some settlers and himslef.
The dialog:
"It is a good day to die."
"It is always a good day to die."
"It is harder to live, dying is easy."
"This is true."
Then Clint makes a deal with the Indians for when they travel through the valley. Peace is accomplished. Conclusion:
It is easy to die for one's country, state, city, family. It is harder to remain alive and build/provide for one's country, state, city, or family!
A Clint Eastwood movie has the right ex[;anation. He is trying to make a peace deal for some settlers and himslef.
The dialog:
"It is a good day to die."
"It is always a good day to die."
"It is harder to live, dying is easy."
"This is true."
Then Clint makes a deal with the Indians for when they travel through the valley. Peace is accomplished. Conclusion:
It is easy to die for one's country, state, city, family. It is harder to remain alive and build/provide for one's country, state, city, or family!
@rollingf
Death is always a blessing to oneself ,they escape.
It is the sufferings of loved ones which is so difficult,neither can I take their pain nor can I cure them.
@rollingf
Death is always a blessing to oneself ,they escape.
It is the sufferings of loved ones which is so difficult,neither can I take their pain nor can I cure them.
Forget the pain and suffering, instead spend the time remembering and telling others about the good times you and the departed had. As long as someone remembers your story you have eternal life! When the last person dies who remembers you, then you face true death.
Remember those who came before and after you, tell the stories of their lives, pass on those memories, soon others will remember you!
Forget the pain and suffering, instead spend the time remembering and telling others about the good times you and the departed had. As long as someone remembers your story you have eternal life! When the last person dies who remembers you, then you face true death.
Remember those who came before and after you, tell the stories of their lives, pass on those memories, soon others will remember you!
@rollingf
Great insight! I'm going further, and waaay out on a limb. Humor me?
The person is not the body. Flesh. Hair. Sweat. Saliva, and many other substances and fluids which I don't care to mention.
The person is the Soul (the foundation,down deep), and the Spirit (the penthouse with skylights) .
Our experience of a person is exposure to their Soul and Spirit, which over time are transferred into us and absorbed by us. That is who we "know." The fleshly body without those two things, S & S, is no more than a temporal container. A delivery vehicle.
Note, the biologically scientific study of epigenetics tends to bear out, cellularly, this methylation of genes at the cytosine level.
In the Material World (Sting- We are spirits in the material world), we are all caught up in what we can touch, see, taste, hear, and smell. We don't realize that this outer shell is not the person.
We had a great rabbi. He had a beard, eyes, nose, hands, feet, etc., but if that was all, then meh. In his presence, being, and sermons, he imbued us with his Spirit and Soul, which lives in us these many years since his flesh failed, and with which we imbue others. He lives in us and in everyone we embrace.
When the fragile and mortal body wears out, it's delivery job is done. The person's Spirit and Soul are "released," but during the "delivery period" -mortal life, the message(s) of the S & S were imparted to our Spirit and Soul (Soul mates?) which received those messages and internalized/incorporated them into us.
So, the essence of the person whose flesh wore out continues to live within us, as we go around sharing our S& S with others, until OUR fleshly messenger gives out, leaving those still breathing with the message(s) we delivered to them.
In Judaism this is dor l'dor- generation to generation. For the Succos holiday, all the Hebrew ancestors come to eat in the succah hut. In Christianity the Holy Spirit lives on in us after millenia, and we take the wine and bread, in case there is any doubt.
In Islam, it may be that of The Prophet (MABPWH).
Effectively, no one every really dies. The messenger (body) retires, leaving the essence of the person "living," and living within us. No need for touch, see, smell, hear, taste.
They are "in" us, not gone.
Remembering them is is nice, but too remote.
We must open OUR Soul and Spirit to 1. be in experience with what they left us, and 2. to take a "visit" from them should they be in the neighborhood (Succos). Do they come to you in dreams?
We throw words around like spirit, soul, soul mate, but they have no weight (21 grams?). We think the body is all there is because we can weigh it, like a pork chop, but why talk about the soul and spirit if they are no more than meaningless romantic concepts?
There is more to this existence, Horatio, than your philosophy foretells.
SusanEllen66 Susan McMichael | @SusanEllen66 | Mar 2 12:05am
We all die. It is something every living organism experiences.
Here is a little tale. Twins are having a conversation while still in the womb. Baby A says, I wonder what it will be like on the other side. Baby B says, other side! There is no other side…this is it. We are just going to float around here forever.
Baby A disagrees saying, there has to be something else We can meet mom there!
Baby B, mom! There is no mom.
Baby A, of course there is, I hear her singing, and speaking to us with love.
We sometimes think that all we have is now, so we decide to make the best of what we assume is all we’re going to have. (Baby B) People around us, like Baby A tend to be annoying because we can’t see eye to eye with them.
What if, like Baby A believes, there is something more. Just because we can’t see something, doesn’t mean it isn’t there. We can leave the door of possibility open and consider what if…maybe we could hear something lovely.
The possibility that we might just remain a spirit after death, is very real.
I would rather be prepared for a glorious homecoming than not.
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Wow! well said. I believe that our "knowing without proof" is a real part of our spirit and soul. It's referred to as noetics. We have this powerful gift because we are made in the image of God. Not necessarily hands , feet , and a beard, but with sentience and consciousness, which are the results of eating the fruit of the tree of Knowledge, which God wanted us to do, and knew we would, so we could interact with His creation and gain wisdom (hopefully). He made sure we would "eat" the "forbidden " fruit by warning us not to.
Otherwise, we'd be running around naked, innocent, and ignorant for the last 6000 years! Like Eloi.
Only we humans, made in the Image of God, have this gift . Nothing else in existence does. Mu!!!
There is synchronicity per force of the Collective Unconscious.
Billy Joel : We all start in the Ocean. We all end in the Stream. We're all carried along by The River of Dreams.
Jung was/is so right, even though he couldn't "prove" anything.
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5 ReactionsA Clint Eastwood movie has the right ex[;anation. He is trying to make a peace deal for some settlers and himslef.
The dialog:
"It is a good day to die."
"It is always a good day to die."
"It is harder to live, dying is easy."
"This is true."
Then Clint makes a deal with the Indians for when they travel through the valley. Peace is accomplished. Conclusion:
It is easy to die for one's country, state, city, family. It is harder to remain alive and build/provide for one's country, state, city, or family!
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Death is always a blessing to oneself ,they escape.
It is the sufferings of loved ones which is so difficult,neither can I take their pain nor can I cure them.
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Forget the pain and suffering, instead spend the time remembering and telling others about the good times you and the departed had. As long as someone remembers your story you have eternal life! When the last person dies who remembers you, then you face true death.
Remember those who came before and after you, tell the stories of their lives, pass on those memories, soon others will remember you!
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Great insight! I'm going further, and waaay out on a limb. Humor me?
The person is not the body. Flesh. Hair. Sweat. Saliva, and many other substances and fluids which I don't care to mention.
The person is the Soul (the foundation,down deep), and the Spirit (the penthouse with skylights) .
Our experience of a person is exposure to their Soul and Spirit, which over time are transferred into us and absorbed by us. That is who we "know." The fleshly body without those two things, S & S, is no more than a temporal container. A delivery vehicle.
Note, the biologically scientific study of epigenetics tends to bear out, cellularly, this methylation of genes at the cytosine level.
In the Material World (Sting- We are spirits in the material world), we are all caught up in what we can touch, see, taste, hear, and smell. We don't realize that this outer shell is not the person.
We had a great rabbi. He had a beard, eyes, nose, hands, feet, etc., but if that was all, then meh. In his presence, being, and sermons, he imbued us with his Spirit and Soul, which lives in us these many years since his flesh failed, and with which we imbue others. He lives in us and in everyone we embrace.
When the fragile and mortal body wears out, it's delivery job is done. The person's Spirit and Soul are "released," but during the "delivery period" -mortal life, the message(s) of the S & S were imparted to our Spirit and Soul (Soul mates?) which received those messages and internalized/incorporated them into us.
So, the essence of the person whose flesh wore out continues to live within us, as we go around sharing our S& S with others, until OUR fleshly messenger gives out, leaving those still breathing with the message(s) we delivered to them.
In Judaism this is dor l'dor- generation to generation. For the Succos holiday, all the Hebrew ancestors come to eat in the succah hut. In Christianity the Holy Spirit lives on in us after millenia, and we take the wine and bread, in case there is any doubt.
In Islam, it may be that of The Prophet (MABPWH).
Effectively, no one every really dies. The messenger (body) retires, leaving the essence of the person "living," and living within us. No need for touch, see, smell, hear, taste.
They are "in" us, not gone.
Remembering them is is nice, but too remote.
We must open OUR Soul and Spirit to 1. be in experience with what they left us, and 2. to take a "visit" from them should they be in the neighborhood (Succos). Do they come to you in dreams?
We throw words around like spirit, soul, soul mate, but they have no weight (21 grams?). We think the body is all there is because we can weigh it, like a pork chop, but why talk about the soul and spirit if they are no more than meaningless romantic concepts?
There is more to this existence, Horatio, than your philosophy foretells.
We all die. It is something every living organism experiences.
Here is a little tale. Twins are having a conversation while still in the womb. Baby A says, I wonder what it will be like on the other side. Baby B says, other side! There is no other side…this is it. We are just going to float around here forever.
Baby A disagrees saying, there has to be something else We can meet mom there!
Baby B, mom! There is no mom.
Baby A, of course there is, I hear her singing, and speaking to us with love.
We sometimes think that all we have is now, so we decide to make the best of what we assume is all we’re going to have. (Baby B) People around us, like Baby A tend to be annoying because we can’t see eye to eye with them.
What if, like Baby A believes, there is something more. Just because we can’t see something, doesn’t mean it isn’t there. We can leave the door of possibility open and consider what if…maybe we could hear something lovely.
The possibility that we might just remain a spirit after death, is very real.
I would rather be prepared for a glorious homecoming than not.
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