Thank you for posting this! It is so true! I used to work in nursing homes when I was young. (I'm currently 79.) I was with many people at the moment of death and there is that peaceful presence at the moment of death that can only be identified as God ready to take them home. It's his decision no matter how we feel or what we do. It states in the Bible that God says, "I give life and I take it away." And he does. We all will eventually die but only at God's time no matter what.
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Great insight! I'm going further, and waaay out on a limb. Humor me?
The person is not the body. Flesh. Hair. Sweat. Saliva, and many other substances and fluids which I don't care to mention.
The person is the Soul (the foundation,down deep), and the Spirit (the penthouse with skylights) .
Our experience of a person is exposure to their Soul and Spirit, which over time are transferred into us and absorbed by us. That is who we "know." The fleshly body without those two things, S & S, is no more than a temporal container. A delivery vehicle.
Note, the biologically scientific study of epigenetics tends to bear out, cellularly, this methylation of genes at the cytosine level.
In the Material World (Sting- We are spirits in the material world), we are all caught up in what we can touch, see, taste, hear, and smell. We don't realize that this outer shell is not the person.
We had a great rabbi. He had a beard, eyes, nose, hands, feet, etc., but if that was all, then meh. In his presence, being, and sermons, he imbued us with his Spirit and Soul, which lives in us these many years since his flesh failed, and with which we imbue others. He lives in us and in everyone we embrace.
When the fragile and mortal body wears out, it's delivery job is done. The person's Spirit and Soul are "released," but during the "delivery period" -mortal life, the message(s) of the S & S were imparted to our Spirit and Soul (Soul mates?) which received those messages and internalized/incorporated them into us.
So, the essence of the person whose flesh wore out continues to live within us, as we go around sharing our S& S with others, until OUR fleshly messenger gives out, leaving those still breathing with the message(s) we delivered to them.
In Judaism this is dor l'dor- generation to generation. For the Succos holiday, all the Hebrew ancestors come to eat in the succah hut. In Christianity the Holy Spirit lives on in us after millenia, and we take the wine and bread, in case there is any doubt.
In Islam, it may be that of The Prophet (MABPWH).
Effectively, no one every really dies. The messenger (body) retires, leaving the essence of the person "living," and living within us. No need for touch, see, smell, hear, taste.
They are "in" us, not gone.
Remembering them is is nice, but too remote.
We must open OUR Soul and Spirit to 1. be in experience with what they left us, and 2. to take a "visit" from them should they be in the neighborhood (Succos). Do they come to you in dreams?
We throw words around like spirit, soul, soul mate, but they have no weight (21 grams?). We think the body is all there is because we can weigh it, like a pork chop, but why talk about the soul and spirit if they are no more than meaningless romantic concepts?
There is more to this existence, Horatio, than your philosophy foretells.
I agree with you entirely, our soul and spirit are our essence of who we are. When we interact with each other, when the interaction is intimate, the souls entwine even more. I don't remember where I read or heard the story, but some jewelry stores carry the symbols of the story. "When a baby is born, it only has half a soul. When the soul is split, it has a jagged border. Others have similar jagged borders and the two half-souls may fit together better than others. When the two fit almost perfectly or even perfectly, we have soul mates!"
I am not sure that te soul and spirit are two separate concepts as much as the soul and spirit are just two names for the same entity.
I believe four levels of magic exists even today. The four levels from weakest to strongest are: The True Name, Control, Destruction, and Creation. The magic of the True Name is practiced around the entire world today. Basically, each of us has a public name and a private name. Only certain people may know your private name. Imagine this conversation: John and Mary are two children playing outside in the summer evening. Their mother calls them, "John, Mary supper is almost ready, come in and get cleaned up." John and Mary know the game, they have about ten minutes more of play time. After five minutes, Mom calls them again. Mom is right on time. The third time Mom calls, she changes the words and her voice: "John Michael McFerrly, Mary Jo McFerrly, it is supper time, come inside, get cleaned up for supper now! Some say, oh no, my children always come when I call them. To which I ask, "Always?" "Well, sometimes they are too busy doing and I have to call again." "Right," I reply.
Genesis Chapter Two is about the Garden of Edan. In the Jewish Torah, the true name of God is not given nor is the name of the man God created in the Garden. If you translate the hebrew into English, he is simply known as "the man" {For those who remember Happy Days, try "The Fonz"}. The transliteration is "ha Adom" which means "the man" and not Adam. At one point, god causes all of the animals to pass before "the man" and God tells him to name them, he does and thus mankind has dominion over all of the animals. After God made his soul mate (as well as his clone), God tells him to name her. Thus, giving man dominion over woman. Men, try telling this story to your wives and see where you sleep tonight! Gen Chap One is about Creation. Destruction is throughout the Torah.
I agree with you entirely, our soul and spirit are our essence of who we are. When we interact with each other, when the interaction is intimate, the souls entwine even more. I don't remember where I read or heard the story, but some jewelry stores carry the symbols of the story. "When a baby is born, it only has half a soul. When the soul is split, it has a jagged border. Others have similar jagged borders and the two half-souls may fit together better than others. When the two fit almost perfectly or even perfectly, we have soul mates!"
I am not sure that te soul and spirit are two separate concepts as much as the soul and spirit are just two names for the same entity.
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maybe we can tell the difference if we can define soul music and spiritual music. They are so different and seem to come from different places within us.
A couple of days ago, I had this strong urge to contact my 90 year old cousin. Surely enough her daughter had just called for an ambulance. She’s now in the ICU not expected to live.
Thank goodness I acted on my urge to contact her.
We live in different states; and because of her poor hearing, we usually texted every 6 weeks or so.
@nksneuro That is an example of the connection we all have to one another. It is very real. I do not believe in coincidence. I am sorry that you are dealing with the sadness of losing a close cousin.
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I am a drop of energy and will return to the universal well of consciousness when this body dies.
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I agree with you entirely, our soul and spirit are our essence of who we are. When we interact with each other, when the interaction is intimate, the souls entwine even more. I don't remember where I read or heard the story, but some jewelry stores carry the symbols of the story. "When a baby is born, it only has half a soul. When the soul is split, it has a jagged border. Others have similar jagged borders and the two half-souls may fit together better than others. When the two fit almost perfectly or even perfectly, we have soul mates!"
I am not sure that te soul and spirit are two separate concepts as much as the soul and spirit are just two names for the same entity.
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I believe four levels of magic exists even today. The four levels from weakest to strongest are: The True Name, Control, Destruction, and Creation. The magic of the True Name is practiced around the entire world today. Basically, each of us has a public name and a private name. Only certain people may know your private name. Imagine this conversation: John and Mary are two children playing outside in the summer evening. Their mother calls them, "John, Mary supper is almost ready, come in and get cleaned up." John and Mary know the game, they have about ten minutes more of play time. After five minutes, Mom calls them again. Mom is right on time. The third time Mom calls, she changes the words and her voice: "John Michael McFerrly, Mary Jo McFerrly, it is supper time, come inside, get cleaned up for supper now! Some say, oh no, my children always come when I call them. To which I ask, "Always?" "Well, sometimes they are too busy doing and I have to call again." "Right," I reply.
Genesis Chapter Two is about the Garden of Edan. In the Jewish Torah, the true name of God is not given nor is the name of the man God created in the Garden. If you translate the hebrew into English, he is simply known as "the man" {For those who remember Happy Days, try "The Fonz"}. The transliteration is "ha Adom" which means "the man" and not Adam. At one point, god causes all of the animals to pass before "the man" and God tells him to name them, he does and thus mankind has dominion over all of the animals. After God made his soul mate (as well as his clone), God tells him to name her. Thus, giving man dominion over woman. Men, try telling this story to your wives and see where you sleep tonight! Gen Chap One is about Creation. Destruction is throughout the Torah.
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