Cause of PMR

Posted by teddyz @teddyz, Feb 4, 2024

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2024/02/women-autoimmune.html
This article isn't light reading but goes into why women are more likely to have autoimmune diseases than men. Bottom line - it's thanks to our 2 X chromosomes. If you skip down to the bottom of the article, they say the discovery could lead to better screening for autoimmune disorders that are associated with the Xist gene that they explain in the article.

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@ndep
My body went through physical stress due to a traumatic injury to the foot requiring 7 stitches. I am sure that triggered it for me.
Any stress can cause the body to react in a way we can’t understand.

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@caroljeand

I think flares of PMR are "stress related" too. It can't be a coincidence that prednisone replaces cortisol which is the hormone the adrenals produce naturally that "regulates inflammation." Maybe it is only a coincidence that cortisol happens to be called the "stress hormone."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/stress-management/in-depth/stress/art-20046037
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People often say that stress is what triggers their PMR flares. PMR is certainly a form of chronic stress and stress causes inflammation.

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@caroljeand

I think flares of PMR are "stress related" too. It can't be a coincidence that prednisone replaces cortisol which is the hormone the adrenals produce naturally that "regulates inflammation." Maybe it is only a coincidence that cortisol happens to be called the "stress hormone."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/stress-management/in-depth/stress/art-20046037
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People often say that stress is what triggers their PMR flares. PMR is certainly a form of chronic stress and stress causes inflammation.

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@dadcue
Totally agree about stress/cortisol causes. I had seen an endocrinologist in 2021 (4years before PMR diagnosis). I suspected I could have high cortisol. He determined I was borderline low. Wondering now if that was an indication of my being a candidate for PMR, with also having a genetic link through my mother.
Seeing this doctor again next week for his input for my blood sugar issues and prednisone tapering.

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For Me it was statins. I had been taking a low dose of Crestor ( 5 mg 3x week) for years with relatively no problems. A Cardiologist increased my dosage to 10mg/ day and within two weeks I couldn’t move or walk. I told her I would rather die of a heart attack than continue life in this pain. I stopped all statins and had no relief. I kept thinking that as the statin half life dissipated I would get comfortable. My PCP said I think you have PMR. I’m going to give you 15 mg of prednisone daily and you should feel better within 3 days.
He was right, and now I have tapered down to 1.5 mg / day along with carefully adding back the statin only 3/ week. It’s been 9 months since the diagnosis. Hopefully I can wean off the prednisone entirely in the next 2-3 months?

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I realize that PMR has, currently, no known single cause. I used AI (Perplexity) to answer the questions, "What causes PMR?" Here is what it said.
Polymyalgia rheumatica (PMR) does not have a single known cause; current evidence points to a mix of genetic susceptibility, aging of the immune system, and environmental triggers such as infections or (more rarely) vaccines and other inflammatory stressors. It is best understood as an immune‑mediated inflammatory disorder rather than something caused by muscle overuse or a mechanical problem.

What is known vs unknown

Experts agree that the exact cause of PMR is unknown, so there is no single confirmed trigger that explains all cases. PMR is thought to arise when an aging immune system becomes dysregulated in genetically susceptible people, leading to inflammation around shoulders, hips, and other proximal structures.

Genetic and age factors

Family clustering and specific immune‑related genes (such as certain HLA class II types, especially HLA‑DRB1*04) suggest a genetic predisposition to PMR. The condition occurs almost exclusively in people over 50, with peak onset in the 70s, indicating that age‑related immune and hormonal changes contribute substantially.

Immune and autoimmune mechanisms

PMR is an immune‑mediated inflammatory disease where cytokines such as interleukin‑6 (IL‑6) are elevated, and patients typically have raised inflammatory markers like ESR and CRP. The immune profile shows changes in T cells and B cells consistent with an autoimmune‑type process, but there is no single characteristic autoantibody, so it is often described as immune‑mediated rather than classic autoantibody‑driven autoimmunity.

Environmental and infectious triggers

Several lines of evidence suggest that environmental factors can trigger PMR in predisposed individuals, including seasonal clustering of new cases and associations with infections. Proposed infectious triggers have included respiratory pathogens such as Mycoplasma pneumoniae, parvovirus B19, and other respiratory viruses, but none has been definitively proven as “the” cause.

Vaccines, comorbid disease, and other associations

Case reports describe PMR or PMR‑like syndromes occurring after influenza or other vaccinations, possibly as part of a broader autoimmune/inflammatory reaction, though this remains uncommon and causality is not firmly established. PMR is closely linked with giant cell arteritis and has reported associations with conditions like diverticulitis and, rarely, underlying malignancy, reinforcing the idea that systemic immune and inflammatory milieu, rather than a single external agent, drives the disease.

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@jfannarbor Great information, thanks! This especially caught my eye:
"Several lines of evidence suggest that environmental factors can trigger PMR in predisposed individuals, including seasonal clustering of new cases and associations with infections.”
PMR hit me a few weeks after Covid. I was sure, and still believe, that Covid triggered it.

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My PMR symptoms began this past June, 3&1/2 months into a very stressful time for me. The most stressful I can remember in decades. I have this unconfirmed idea that some of us with a genetic predisposition for autoimmune/ rheumatic diseases may have PMR "laying low" in our bodies and the stress gives it what it needs to present itself. Now medical information to reference, just my idea!

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Profile picture for jfannarbor @jfannarbor

I realize that PMR has, currently, no known single cause. I used AI (Perplexity) to answer the questions, "What causes PMR?" Here is what it said.
Polymyalgia rheumatica (PMR) does not have a single known cause; current evidence points to a mix of genetic susceptibility, aging of the immune system, and environmental triggers such as infections or (more rarely) vaccines and other inflammatory stressors. It is best understood as an immune‑mediated inflammatory disorder rather than something caused by muscle overuse or a mechanical problem.

What is known vs unknown

Experts agree that the exact cause of PMR is unknown, so there is no single confirmed trigger that explains all cases. PMR is thought to arise when an aging immune system becomes dysregulated in genetically susceptible people, leading to inflammation around shoulders, hips, and other proximal structures.

Genetic and age factors

Family clustering and specific immune‑related genes (such as certain HLA class II types, especially HLA‑DRB1*04) suggest a genetic predisposition to PMR. The condition occurs almost exclusively in people over 50, with peak onset in the 70s, indicating that age‑related immune and hormonal changes contribute substantially.

Immune and autoimmune mechanisms

PMR is an immune‑mediated inflammatory disease where cytokines such as interleukin‑6 (IL‑6) are elevated, and patients typically have raised inflammatory markers like ESR and CRP. The immune profile shows changes in T cells and B cells consistent with an autoimmune‑type process, but there is no single characteristic autoantibody, so it is often described as immune‑mediated rather than classic autoantibody‑driven autoimmunity.

Environmental and infectious triggers

Several lines of evidence suggest that environmental factors can trigger PMR in predisposed individuals, including seasonal clustering of new cases and associations with infections. Proposed infectious triggers have included respiratory pathogens such as Mycoplasma pneumoniae, parvovirus B19, and other respiratory viruses, but none has been definitively proven as “the” cause.

Vaccines, comorbid disease, and other associations

Case reports describe PMR or PMR‑like syndromes occurring after influenza or other vaccinations, possibly as part of a broader autoimmune/inflammatory reaction, though this remains uncommon and causality is not firmly established. PMR is closely linked with giant cell arteritis and has reported associations with conditions like diverticulitis and, rarely, underlying malignancy, reinforcing the idea that systemic immune and inflammatory milieu, rather than a single external agent, drives the disease.

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@jfannarbor the problem with AI summarizing this type of medical issue is that it pulls together all the information which is available, and some that will be old less accurate than we'd like. For example, it is known that in a significant percentage of sufferers CRP and ESR may not be elevated. Also that more people under 50 have PMR, and that flu vaccine as trigger is well supported in the medical research. This whole area is likely one where underlying causes and triggers are two different factors in the development of the illness. There seem to be many triggers all of which may be related to overloading the immune system.

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@jfannarbor Great information, thanks! This especially caught my eye:
"Several lines of evidence suggest that environmental factors can trigger PMR in predisposed individuals, including seasonal clustering of new cases and associations with infections.”
PMR hit me a few weeks after Covid. I was sure, and still believe, that Covid triggered it.

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I@Inelsbeth

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In Dec. 2024 I received Covid and Flu shots at the same time at the recommendation of the pharmacist. 2 weeks later I was diagnosed in the emergency room with PMR.

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