Diet - Eggs or no eggs?

@surftohealth88
You bring up some interesting points, really centered around choline. I know that egg yolks have a lot of it and the whites don’t. I still eat 2 eggs twice a week, poached over an English muffin.

Apparently, chicken does have a fair amount of choline in it. An egg yolk has about 150mg and a lean 6oz chicken breast around 200 mg. A 3 1/2 ounce chicken thigh has 75 mg, I only eat chicken thighs. Probably closer to 5 ounces.

And then you run into absolutely weird facts like this

The danger of choline for someone with prostate cancer is still being researched, but some studies suggest high intake may increase the risk of aggressive or lethal prostate cancer, possibly by promoting tumor growth and inflammation. However, other studies have found no association between high choline intake and lethal prostate cancer, and some even suggest that high intake may not be associated with total prostate cancer risk. Therefore, it is recommended to consult with a doctor to determine the right amount of choline for their specific situation.

I’ve now been undetectable for 24 months. I probably eat fish three times a week and chicken four times a week. I also eat a small piece of cake or a couple of cookies every single night along with a bowl of strawberries. My wife likes to bake cookies and cakes,, I have six different things she keeps in the freezer. I eat one a night. I’m not nearly as good at this as you are, But after all these years, I have lost my strong fear of dying soon. I do eat a couple of ounces of Brie every day too, but mostly have Soy milk, 1/2 gallon a week with high protein cereal,. I do make cappuccino every morning with nonfat milk, The fat is what supposed to be the problem. When you steam milk you throw away about 3/4 of it So I probably only drink about 2 ounces a day. I’ve been a bad boy!!!???

I guess if my PSA started rising, I would probably cut back on some things. But everything in reasonable amounts seems to work.

@surftohealth88
You bring up some interesting points, really centered around choline. I know that egg yolks have a lot of it and the whites don’t. I still eat 2 eggs twice a week, poached over an English muffin.

Apparently, chicken does have a fair amount of choline in it. An egg yolk has about 150mg and a lean 6oz chicken breast around 200 mg. A 3 1/2 ounce chicken thigh has 75 mg, I only eat chicken thighs. Probably closer to 5 ounces.

And then you run into absolutely weird facts like this

The danger of choline for someone with prostate cancer is still being researched, but some studies suggest high intake may increase the risk of aggressive or lethal prostate cancer, possibly by promoting tumor growth and inflammation. However, other studies have found no association between high choline intake and lethal prostate cancer, and some even suggest that high intake may not be associated with total prostate cancer risk. Therefore, it is recommended to consult with a doctor to determine the right amount of choline for their specific situation.

I’ve now been undetectable for 24 months. I probably eat fish three times a week and chicken four times a week. I also eat a small piece of cake or a couple of cookies every single night along with a bowl of strawberries. My wife likes to bake cookies and cakes,, I have six different things she keeps in the freezer. I eat one a night. I’m not nearly as good at this as you are, But after all these years, I have lost my strong fear of dying soon. I do eat a couple of ounces of Brie every day too, but mostly have Soy milk, 1/2 gallon a week with high protein cereal,. I do make cappuccino every morning with nonfat milk, The fat is what supposed to be the problem. When you steam milk you throw away about 3/4 of it So I probably only drink about 2 ounces a day. I’ve been a bad boy!!!???

I guess if my PSA started rising, I would probably cut back on some things. But everything in reasonable amounts seems to work.

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@heavyphil
"you gotta know HOW to live, not just live a long time!"

Exactly...I'm 70 years old with heart failure and metastatic cancer. I'm pretty sure that eating some eggs (or steak, cake, or cookies for that matter) is the least of my concerns.

A recent study found that eating even one egg a month was too much. For a long time, I ate two eggs every day and my PSA stayed low, In fact, it hit undetectable one month, even though I was doing it.

Since then, I’ve cut back and I’m only eating two eggs a week. My PSA has been undetectable for 14 months, after 15 years of prostate cancer and four relapses.

I was really disappointed when that study showed that eggs were so bad for prostate cancer. I think if you do some Google searches, you will find the study.

Sometimes doctors forget to tell their prostate cancer patients that they need to take calcium citrate, 500 mg, twice a day. For me, that’s not even enough. You also should be on vitamin D. Super B complex is another thing my cancer pharmacist has told me I should take.

@jeffmarc
Hi Jeff,
I was casually looking up how many eggs a week! I like eggs. Then I stumbled onto the research that eggs are not good for prostate cancer patients. However, if 2 eggs a week is OK for you then I'll take that.
I would add that, along with many others, I did not receive any advice concerning diet related to ADT therapy. Thankfully, I received very useful advice on this forum.

@jeffmarc
Hi Jeff,
I was casually looking up how many eggs a week! I like eggs. Then I stumbled onto the research that eggs are not good for prostate cancer patients. However, if 2 eggs a week is OK for you then I'll take that.
I would add that, along with many others, I did not receive any advice concerning diet related to ADT therapy. Thankfully, I received very useful advice on this forum.

@johnwf
You can search YouTube for advice on dietary issues with PCRI. There are a lot of other webinars about it as well. A Mediterranean diet, and even a vegetarian diet can improve the odds of having remission longer, It appears.

I know for me I pretty much eat a Mediterranean diet and have been able to keep my PSA undetectable for the last 30 months after 16 years of prostate cancer. I do exercise every day as well as walking a mile fast, twice a day, and going to the gym three times a week.

ADT destroys your muscle muscles, You may notice a bigger belly as the first evidence of taking the drugs. I try to do a lot of situps so I go to the gym.

@johnwf The research says that a chemical ("choline") that appears in eggs also appears in elevated levels in the bloodstream for people with more-serious types of prostate cancer.

That's not proof that eggs are dangerous for prostate cancer, though, especially since the liver regulates choline levels, and can even synthesise some if it gets too low (choline is an essential nutrient; you'd die without it).

The main question is whether high levels of egg consumption cause prostate-cancer recurrence, or whether it's just an accidental correlation: after all, people who consumed a lot of eggs in those studies were also more likely to smoke, ate more red meat, and were more likely to be inactive. So far, none of this has been established in a proper clinical trial.

p.s. Beef liver is also a big source of choline.

@northoftheborder
Thanks for the info, I now think I can safely move forward on 2 eggs a week.😉