Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain
When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.
Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.
I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.
You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.
Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.
Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?
Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.
Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?
Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?
Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?
Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.
Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.
John
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Hi John! Good to hear you! Blessings, Sunnyflower
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1 ReactionI am a 79 year old women with idiopathic neuropathy. I am having depression from being a very active person and volunteering after retirement to having difficulties walking. The change in my life style has been very hard. I try to be thankful for all the blessing’s I have, but it is a struggle.
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5 Reactions@ann78, I'm pretty sure that all of us diagnosed with neuropathy have been there with you and struggling with life's difficulties and changes forced on us by neuropathy and it can be a downer for sure. Like you mentioned we just have to try to be thankful for what we have and take life one day at a time. Not sure if you have seen these discussions but there are a lot of us that feel the same as you do.
-- Peripheral Neuropathy is life changing: How do you accept it?:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/peripheral-neuropathy-life-changing/
-- Increasingly Difficult to Accept Peripheral Neuropathy:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/nor-accepting/
I keep researching and trying to learn as much as I can about new treatments and new research being done. It's one of the reasons I subscribe to the Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy email news. Here is a page with their patient stories - https://www.foundationforpn.org/patient-stories/. They also have many webinar videos available on their YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@foundationforperipheralneu4122
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1 ReactionGood morning, @ann78 (@ann78)
Many of us have been where you are. That's not consolation in and of itself. I know, because when I was first diagnosed and found my way to Connect, I, too, was assured that I was far from alone in my early-diagnosis depression. I'm 80. Good, steady balance had been critical throughou my life. But with my diagnosis (chronic large-fiber polyneuropathy: no pain, but poor balance), I was an actor who could no longer act (afraid I'd fall on stage) and a long-distance runner who could no longer run). It took me several months (and many conversations here on Connect) before I realized I was still a "whole" person––slightly "modified," that was true, but still "whole." still capable of doing 99% of the things I enjoyed doing. It takes me a little more push-through (especially in the mornings), a little added talking-to-myself (I use journaling as my early-morning coach), but I find that by the time the sun is an inch or two above the horizon, I'm raring to go. You'll reach that wondrous place, too. I know you will. Stick around. Go over to the Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy's website and watch a few of their webinars [under 'Events'], and try to take some comfort in knowing that your depression will lessen in time. It almost always does.
I wish you the very best!
Ray (@ray666)
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2 Reactions@ann78 Hi - I too have PN the same as John and Ray, idiopathic with no pain but numbness and poor balance. I've been dealing with this progressive disease for close to 10 years and I'm now 75. I decided to look at this in two ways. First, I try to concentrate on what I can do and not what I can no longer do. Second, I know there are a lot more things out there way worse than PN. We've all seen it. In the past 10 years, I've made adjustments along the way to deal with PN and safely do what I can. I was active into my mid 60's and you're right, it is a struggle. I agree 100%. But please look at things you can still do, it might help. Be safe, be well. Ed
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3 Reactions@ann78 I think it's very normal to struggle with the new limitations placed upon us by this disease. It's extra-frustrating because there is very little in the way of treatment that can help. And depression can easily creep in and make us feel lousy. Of course, it could always be worse. I'm grateful not to be in a wheelchair, and in the very beginning I worried this might be MS or ALS. Thankfully, those were ruled out. So I try to focus on the things I am still able to do. In my case, I can still drive. I can putter in my garden as long as I am careful not to fall. I can't do the strenuous work I used to do, but I can trim my shrubs.... just more slowly.... and seated on a stool. I can use a hand held blower to blow the leaves in my yard.... just a bit more slowly. I am a wanna be artist, and I have plenty of time to paint in retirement... and that I can do easily. I can still travel, but I have learned to take an uber or taxi on occasion rather than trying to walk great distances. I can socialize with friends on occasion.... but I prefer to be seated when possible. None of this is to minimize the impact of your neuropathy in any way. It is REAL... and it IS an adjustment. But life can still be filled with new adventures! I wish you well! Mike
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3 Reactionshello, I'm new to this group, but relieved to find others who have no pain, only increasing numbness. I'm an active 78 y.o. woman. Numbness started in two outside toes on right foot. I thought it was due to arthritis, but then it spread to my other foot and then started progressing up both legs. I've had MRIs of my entire spine that show no nerve impingement, 3 nerve conduction tests that confirm neuropathy. I've tried low dose naltrexone, alpha lipoic acid in 600mg doses, nortriptyline, acupuncture, sound wave therapy, etc. Nothing helps. Numbness confined to the rear of my legs and inner thighs, but now includes buttocks. At first I had some sensation in the soles of my feet, but I continue to lose more and more feeling. My blood tests have been normal. No pain or tingling. Dr assures me I will not end up in a wheelchair, but I am concerned at the degree of numbness in my feet and whether my legs will also reach that degree of numbness. I'm concerned drs have missed something but limiting diagnosis to idiopathic small fiber neuropathy. My skin biopsy was only slightly above the number for conclusive SFN. Does any of this sound familiar? Thanks for any and all advice or feedback.
Welcome @jrsal, Your neuropathy journey sounds very similar to mine except mine started in my mid to late 40s. I'm 82 now, still no pain with the neuropathy but do have some numbness and a little tingling. I also wear compression socks up to the knees which make it a little hard to gauge between the squeezing of the legs and the numbness. I shared my neuropathy journey in another discussion here - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/310341/.
Probably the best thing you can do is just keep moving and live as healthy as you can. The Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy has a lot of great information to help you learn more - https://www.foundationforpn.org/lifestyles/.
I think my neuropathy might be due to my fitting into the prediabetes and metabolic syndrome which non of my doctors ever talked about or mentioned.
-- The Metabolic Syndrome and Neuropathy: Therapeutic Challenges and Opportunities: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3881591/.
I think staying active like you are is a great plus. Does your neuropathy cause you any balance problems?
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