Prostate Cancer: The waiting to get going on treatment is killing me

Posted by Bob Butler @robertjohn, Apr 8, 2015

I just received the diagnosis of prostate cancer from my urologist on March 25. PSA 4 months ago was 5 and gland felt normal. Then a month ago PSA jumped to 14 and they found a bump during the DRE. Then the biopsy. High Gleason score of 10 indicating aggressive at that spot. I have been checked yearly and at 6 month intervals for 7 years. I sit here 14 days later and still have not had a face to face with the Dr. He is on vacation. I am thinking of just heading to Mayo and get this process rolling. Shouldn't I have had more concern here from my docs to get moving? Or am I impatient? I feel the waiting is killing me and my family. The bone scan is done as well as the CT scan. Bone scan is good, CT shows slightly enlarged lymph nodes in the pelvic area. Could be just swollen. Insurance company denied a further PET scan and now I am waiting again. What an ordeal to deal with and no one seems to be as concerned as me. Any thoughts.

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I am sending good thoughts to you and feel bad you had to go through this I am newly diagnosed and deciding between surgery and radiation i am a 4+4 am in buffalo ny and not confident they are the best here went to cleveland clinic saw surgeon not radiologist he ofcourse recommended surgery but i just dont no what to do i am scared to no end anyway adivce would be nice but before that once again I am wishing you happiness and a good run you sound like a wonderful confident strong person so I think you know what your doing bless you and your family life is tough

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jt3451: your right. It is scary so take one day at a time. I had 3+4 and isolated in the prostate with a psa of 10.2. I had multiple opinions from radiation oncologists from different centers of excellence. Did not feel the 20-30% risk of biological reoccurrence with prostate removal was worth it and the potential for side effects and quality of life, did not work for me. Many on this web site have had success with it.

Narrowed my decision down to the mridian Linac radiation machine or proton therapy. Chose the mridian machime with 5 treatments because the healthy tissue that was exposed outside the prostate was 2 mm vs 3-5 mm with proton and other radiation treatments. The mridian also automatically shut off if the machine detected the radiation was about to go out of the mapped area. It is also the only machine that has a built in MRI so real time dynamic planning and adjustment in response to internal and external body movement was important to me. Dr Himanshu Nager from Weill Cornell/NY Presbyterian in New York city has lots of prostate experience with the machine.

Use your biopsy material, which is good for about a year, to get a decipher test to test the aggressiveness.

Many people chose proton therapy and are happy with their choice as well because of its narrow beam and the radiation exit was limited.

Ask about spaceoar insertion which separates the bladder from the rectum and helps minimize health tissue exposure from radiation.

The more healthy tissue that is exposed the more potential side effects and quality of life issues.

Good luck and keep asking questions.

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Based on my experience with Mayo Jax and my RLP surgery and recovery, if you are accepted as a patient at Mayo, I would encourage you to get the first available appt for surgery. I had two 8’s and two 9’s and my Mayo Dr wanted it out asap. Had surgery two months after my biopsy. All lymph nodes, seminal vesicles and vans were clear. None of my tests showed any spread anywhere. I am nine weeks post op and waiting for my first PSA and Dr appt in mid October.

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I am sending good thoughts to you and feel bad you had to go through this I am newly diagnosed and deciding between surgery and radiation i am a 4+4 am in buffalo ny and not confident they are the best here went to cleveland clinic saw surgeon not radiologist he ofcourse recommended surgery but i just dont no what to do i am scared to no end anyway adivce would be nice but before that once again I am wishing you happiness and a good run you sound like a wonderful confident strong person so I think you know what your doing bless you and your family life is tough

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Just a caregiver, here, but I wonder what the recommendation would be if you saw a urologist at Cleveland clinic. I just know that’s how my husband started his journey at Mayo.
Also I think it’s emotionally helpful to have a team of doctors that you have full confidence in. I always remember that they call it the PRACTICE of medicine, because each individual can react so differently to treatments.

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I am Gleason 9, 76 years, in a clinical trial with lupron and Erleada 6 months, then RP, then the same meds for 6 months and now 10 months no meds. More than 2 years ago my surgery doc said that my life expectancy was 4-5 years. Then the department head in the clinical trial said 5-10 years. I believe that both are just an educated guess and no one has a reliable crystal ball! I have heard that pluvicto is presently the last treatment available, yet some Guys have been on it for several years. This is the ultimate uncertainty for us but we have encountered uncertainties over the years. We have to handle this uncertainty as we have handled other uncertainties in the past, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Best of Luck to all.

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Hello, Ellis-I’ve been on Lupron Depot for close to 10 years now, injection every 6 months. When I asked at first how long I’d have to take it, the answer was “The rest of your life.” Ok, well, how long is that? They wouldn’t answer. Side effects: said goodbye to my love life.
PSA was around 300; Gleason 9.
Since then, external beam radiation and Abiraterone, knocked the PSA down to less than 1, then went up again. Not much side effects. Chemotherapy with Docetaxel, didn’t do much except made me really sick. 7 treatments. Spot radiation to ribs for some mets.
The latest has been the full course of Pluvicto, 6 treatments. Minimal side effects. Dry mouth was about it.
The Pluvicto was more to just try to slow it down - incurable at this point.
I can’t seem to find out what comes next. Maybe Pluvicto was the last and best shot at it.
Next will be full body bone scan and PET scan to find out how much is left and where.
Considering my original PSA score 10 years ago, and the Gleason 9, I think I’ve done fairly well. Now being treated by Palliative Care. The last will be hospice at home, which my dear wife and I discussed thoroughly.
And that, dear friend, has been my journey. It certainly has been an interesting one!

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@andrejacques, you may be interested in this related Discussion:
- What is the recommended treatment after 6 Pluvicto doses?
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/what-is-the-recommended-treatment-after-6-pluvicto-doses/

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I am sending good thoughts to you and feel bad you had to go through this I am newly diagnosed and deciding between surgery and radiation i am a 4+4 am in buffalo ny and not confident they are the best here went to cleveland clinic saw surgeon not radiologist he ofcourse recommended surgery but i just dont no what to do i am scared to no end anyway adivce would be nice but before that once again I am wishing you happiness and a good run you sound like a wonderful confident strong person so I think you know what your doing bless you and your family life is tough

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Hi @jt3451, have you decided on a treatment plan? How are you doing?

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To: @robertjohn @hamhock @giddyup1

In July of 2011 my PSA was over 25,000 (you read that right), I was jaundiced, My liver was failing, my kidneys were failing (you can read my detailed story on my Hope Digest Facebook page). I went to my local MN hospital and they didn't have a clue. I called The Mayo Clinic and they told me to send my medical records to Dr. Eugene Kwon in the urology department. When I saw Dr. Kwon and his team for the first time they weren't sure I would make it to my 2nd appointment BUT their attitude was if there was a way they would find it. They started me on Lupron and I had a double nephrostomy. 8 weeks later my PSA was down to 103. 2 major surgeries and 4 month regimen of chemo got my PSA to 0 and all of the cancer gone. Now I am 3 years removed from my last surgery my PSA remains undetectable. I have 2 PET scans every 6 months including the C-11 Choline PET scan (which Dr. Kwon was instrumental in developing, is the best scan available to detect prostate cancer early AND is currently the only place in the US you can get it is Mayo Clinic Rochester). I am cancer free today, on no meds, am working full time and can do anything with no restrictions because of Dr. Kwon & The Mayo Clinic!!!! No one else thought I had a chance.

So my advice to you is if possible get in to see Dr. Kwon (Urology Dept., Mayo Clinic Rochester). Tell him Paul Dickie sent you if you have trouble getting in. IMHO and that of many others that I have met in the 5+ years I have been getting treated by Dr. Kwon, he is the smartest man on the planet when it comes to prostate cancer.

If you want detailed information from me regarding my experience you can private message me on the page I mentioned earlier in this post. All my best to all of you!!! Keep up a POSITIVE Attitude, Surround yourself with supportive, positive praying people, plan your future (what are you going to do when its over), get great doctoring and develop a close personal relationship with Jesus. Those are my tips to almost guarantee success. Keep in touch.

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@BuckyFestoon It's a wonderful story and I'm so happy for you. I am interested in getting Kwon's care and wonder how you were able to pay for it. Do you simply need a lot of money? Even if I moved to Rochester and got on an individual plan, I can't imagine how much all the copays and coinsurance on the (now) $18k PET scans would be by the time a year is up.

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My prostate cancer has reoccurred after having seed implants as indicated by a rising PSA. I am now on Lupron which initially took the PSA down to below 1.0. It's climbed back up to 3.15 and is increasing about .50 every six weeks. No metastasis so for. Anyone with Lupron depot experience? Also my doctor is considering putting me on either enzalutamide or abiraterone.

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I had an option before my prostrate surgery to do seed implants. I decided against it because I was afraid it wouldn't work.

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