Severe spinal stenosis

Posted by katie215 @katie215, Aug 15, 2020

Age 71yo old gal here. L5S1 autofusion, Grace II spondylolisthesis. Severe spinal stenosis complicated by significant impingement L5 nerves, both foramen caused by loss of foramenal height. Extensive spurring. Surgery ruled out due to possible need to refracture autofusion.

Ergo, surviving with opioid "cocktail", gabapentin, +++twisting, burning, stabbing pain, both calves and thighs, 24/7.

Very cooperative helping husband but wearing thin on perseverance here. Cannot imagine another 10+ years of this with a brain that's operating at warp speed.

Perhaps there is someone somewhere sharing these same issues looking at same future.

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Ok, here we go. I had a lamenectomy and fusion on L4/5 in 2018. As of this morning i have just found out that i have not been imagining the pain for the last 6 months. XRay and MRI done and it looks like L 3/4 and L5/S1 are shot and need to be fused. The pain is getting progressively worse. After the fusion in '18 I had the please of getting two new full hip replacements 3 weeks apart. I really dont want another surgery but i am not sure there are any other options. Anyone have any input or advice? Thanks, TW

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I have severe Ll4/5 stenosis and was having crippling sciatica pain. I began following the Gokhale Primal Posture method and have been pain free for several years now and avoided surgery. It might be worth a try in your situation.

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Profile picture for mick472 @mick472

I was just diagnosed a couple months ago with lumbar spinal stenosis. I have good days and uncomfortable days. I am not in severe pain, but very limited on what I can do so I don't aggravate it. But, I am having a terrible time upon wake up for some reason. I have to hold on to doors, wall whatever, as I can hardly walk. It eventually subsides as I take a anti-inflammatory and hang on in a hot shower for about 20 minutes. Does anyone have this problem or better yet a routine at night to help prevent this in the AM?

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Have you ever heard of the M.I.L.D. procedure? Minimally Invasive Lumbar Decompression changed my life completely. It is a 15 minute procedure that is done on an outpatient basis. Hope this helps!!!!! Please look into it. Thinking of you ❤️!!!

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Profile picture for loriesco @loriesco

1) must have a good bed. Soft at the shoulders firm thru the lumbar legs
2) try sleeping a bit elevated
3) MUST TRY: Radio Frequency Ablatia (RFI/RFA) in your stenosis facet joints. It helps better than anything I've ever tried. Not consequential as far as no steroids or drug interactions. Can be a permanent fix. But might need again. there is pulse and heat. Heat only works for me. first time it lasted 15 years for me.
Massage
4) Acupuncture
5) anything that increases circulation and gets the blood through the stenosised joints smoothly.
Maybe you have some modicum of edema. If so, control that and you will feel MUCH better. We get swelling morning/night with edema and creates problems with stenosis.
My stenosis is pretty well controlled now. The ablation was the best thing for me. covered by Medicare.

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@loriesco
Thanks for your post.
In total agreement with you that the greatest relief I have found so far is the RFA in the facets. It worked well the first time which was 6 months ago. I am having another one next week. The nerves have grown back but I’m not as bad as I was the first time going into the procedure. I am hoping over time that the nerves will eventually deaden and I will need fewer ablations.
I have Sjogren’s Disease so need to drink a lot of water, which also helps to keep the spine hydrated.
Also, a good bed, heat on the lower spine, physio to loosen tight muscles in that area,
I now have hope going forward for controlling pain with lower lumbar spinal stenosis. 🙏

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@loriesco
Thanks for your post.
In total agreement with you that the greatest relief I have found so far is the RFA in the facets. It worked well the first time which was 6 months ago. I am having another one next week. The nerves have grown back but I’m not as bad as I was the first time going into the procedure. I am hoping over time that the nerves will eventually deaden and I will need fewer ablations.
I have Sjogren’s Disease so need to drink a lot of water, which also helps to keep the spine hydrated.
Also, a good bed, heat on the lower spine, physio to loosen tight muscles in that area,
I now have hope going forward for controlling pain with lower lumbar spinal stenosis. 🙏

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@alicemae I have had periodic RFAs over 25 years. The first ones worked for 15 years. but then I really needed lumbar surgery. Afterwards, I've had them too. Sometimes I have to have them twice in one spot. Heat only works for me - not the pulse. It acts as a diagnostic tool too. You have to figure out WHICH facet joints are the problem. I am bummed they got rid of them (insurance coverage) for the sacral joints. I do a variety of everything. I'm just getting old now! Gotta accept some of that! 😉 today the weather has cooled and it exacerbates my arthritis. Some days ya just have to have a good book on hand!

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Profile picture for mick472 @mick472

I was just diagnosed a couple months ago with lumbar spinal stenosis. I have good days and uncomfortable days. I am not in severe pain, but very limited on what I can do so I don't aggravate it. But, I am having a terrible time upon wake up for some reason. I have to hold on to doors, wall whatever, as I can hardly walk. It eventually subsides as I take a anti-inflammatory and hang on in a hot shower for about 20 minutes. Does anyone have this problem or better yet a routine at night to help prevent this in the AM?

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Has anyone considered
Extra oral shock wave therapy , PRP injections or the use of red light therapy ?

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Profile picture for mick472 @mick472

I was just diagnosed a couple months ago with lumbar spinal stenosis. I have good days and uncomfortable days. I am not in severe pain, but very limited on what I can do so I don't aggravate it. But, I am having a terrible time upon wake up for some reason. I have to hold on to doors, wall whatever, as I can hardly walk. It eventually subsides as I take a anti-inflammatory and hang on in a hot shower for about 20 minutes. Does anyone have this problem or better yet a routine at night to help prevent this in the AM?

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Extracorpeal shock wave therapy

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Thanks for concern and asking. Surgeon said (in 2006) “no way, very difficult and could risk your walking and cause incontinence.” In 2019 …from another Dr. it’s too late. My core is not good, took special back core courses but it is not easy. But I am encouraged by your situation. Life circumstances changed in 2004 so wonderful husband (second marriage). I retired early from teaching and so we travelled together. Mutual caring helped push my boundaries of pain. Challenges just don’t stop coming.

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Sorry for this late reply. Yeah my lower back has it all - stenosis, scoliosis, listhesis, degenerative discs and arthritic spurs.

My surgeon tells me my core muscles are supporting my lumbar spine very well. At age 70, I am very active at the gym and will do almost anything to avoid fusion surgery.

About 10 years ago, I had laminotomies at S1/L5/L4. The surgery doesn't take long. The surgeon drills holes in the back of each vertebrae. In my case, he also had to remove a ruptured disc fragment from S1/L5. That surgery also provides more room for the sciatic nerve, as it creates more space, necessary due to stenosis.

You might want to check that out. One advantage is that it maintains the structural integrity of the vertebrae (versus a laminectomy, where a lot more bone is removed and the structure is weakened). It's a trade off, Anyway, I've been very happy with the laminotomies and the pain relief. And so far, I've been able to avoid fusion surgery.

I hope this helps. Finally, I would only use ice on the lower back. A warm/hot shower just feels good in the morning, but heat can increase inflammation, which can lead to pain. Maybe try putting a bag of frozen peas on your lower back during the day.

Joe

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Profile picture for mick472 @mick472

I was just diagnosed a couple months ago with lumbar spinal stenosis. I have good days and uncomfortable days. I am not in severe pain, but very limited on what I can do so I don't aggravate it. But, I am having a terrible time upon wake up for some reason. I have to hold on to doors, wall whatever, as I can hardly walk. It eventually subsides as I take a anti-inflammatory and hang on in a hot shower for about 20 minutes. Does anyone have this problem or better yet a routine at night to help prevent this in the AM?

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Hello...l am sorry you are having to go through this. Has anyone suggested a M.I.L.D. procedure to be done? I had this Minimally Invasive Lumbar Decompression done last July, and that area has since been pain free. I would heartily recommend this as an option for you.

Looking out for you the best way I know how with my story and prayers, I am Susan

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Profile picture for mick472 @mick472

I was just diagnosed a couple months ago with lumbar spinal stenosis. I have good days and uncomfortable days. I am not in severe pain, but very limited on what I can do so I don't aggravate it. But, I am having a terrible time upon wake up for some reason. I have to hold on to doors, wall whatever, as I can hardly walk. It eventually subsides as I take a anti-inflammatory and hang on in a hot shower for about 20 minutes. Does anyone have this problem or better yet a routine at night to help prevent this in the AM?

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As a DES Daughter, I have spinal stenosis, and my back is painful and tight each morning

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Profile picture for loriesco @loriesco

@alicemae I have had periodic RFAs over 25 years. The first ones worked for 15 years. but then I really needed lumbar surgery. Afterwards, I've had them too. Sometimes I have to have them twice in one spot. Heat only works for me - not the pulse. It acts as a diagnostic tool too. You have to figure out WHICH facet joints are the problem. I am bummed they got rid of them (insurance coverage) for the sacral joints. I do a variety of everything. I'm just getting old now! Gotta accept some of that! 😉 today the weather has cooled and it exacerbates my arthritis. Some days ya just have to have a good book on hand!

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@loriesco
25 years?! is a long time. I am relying on the surgeon to know where to insert those needles. The last appointment was very painful and I was sure I wouldn’t be going back for another treatment, however, as time passes that pinching is coming back. I don’t have the lightening seizure pain jolts down my legs and my feet are not as numb, so I guess this is progress. I’m not sure how to figure out which facet joints are bothering me. How did you figure this out?
Did you have to take medication before the RFA? I asked for a dose of lorazepam this time round, to calm the anxiety. My appt. is next week.
I’m hoping I will not need a Laminectomy , but we will see.
Agree about heat and books!
We soldier on, that is for sure. Thanks for your reply. 🙏🌅

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