Is treatment for Mac and airway clearance really necessary

Posted by jillcrawford @jillcrawford, Sep 10 12:09pm

I am 75 years old and I’m Weighing treatment options for Bronch and Mac
I would appreciate the input of older members of this group
I have had a series of -pneumonias for two years and I was recently diagnosed with Mac. Also Ucla did two surgeries during this time remove a huge Hernia and the then a sinus surgery
I have had a series of pneumonias and it felt like most of the year was one big exacerbation. I started airway clearance two months ago, and I absolutely loath it because it robs me of so much energy and time that I cannot do many other activities. Otherwise, I’ve been very active and good shape and have traveled extensively before all this
Here is my big question. At 75 life expectancy average is for women are about 80. I’m really weighing the benefit of starting Mac treatment and continuing the grueling airway clearance against just letting nature take its courses I …living my remaining life as best I can at least what remains of it
during the past two years, the bronch spread from one lobe to three, but I was not treated with airway clearance until two months ago. I also had an abscess and necrotizing tissue last year and my upper right lobe is a mess. I have it in three lobes… Osats and pulmonary function are OK
So here’s my question to those of you that are older
Do you think all this treatment is worth it?
I can’t imagine being on three airway clearance 2x day or two forever. Also starting treatment for Mac is a big commitmentShould I just let nature take it’s course Maybe I’ll be lucky and I won’t have too many recurrences. Otherwise I’m very active and healthy. I am mostly asymptomatic between recurrences.. no respiratory symptoms except for runny nose no cough ever, no fever etc.
However, I do feel somewhat ill a lot of the time from weakness and severe muscle pain perhaps Caused by ongoing infection, inflammation or mac.. I don’t know.
I would greatly appreciate your thoughts as I am wrestling with this decision.

I would love to hear from anybody out there who is older and has considered these issues
Thank you so much, Jill

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Profile picture for jillcrawford @jillcrawford

Love the idea of the painting tutorials
I do try and distract myself, but dealing with the aerobic for me is absolutely the hardest because I have to try so hard to get the mucus up I do six rounds of 10 along with Huffs
It’s very hard for me to bring up mucus as well unless I’m about to get an exacerbation

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Over time, I discovered by accident that I could cough productively while laying on my back with my knees up. I do it every day now, for 15-20 minutes. My version of postural drainage, I guess. I have tried, but not mastered the huff cough, so I just go with this.

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Profile picture for irene5 Irene Estes @irene5

I think your last sentence says it all- do what you can tolerate and leave the rest up to the creator. I’ve had MAC and aspergillosis for so many years and have been treated for both. Some treatments have been harder than others , but I’ve given it my best shot. I was told back in 2019 I would die. Only the good God knows that answer. My husband of 55 years just died last week of complications from sarcoidosis. He was 79. He was diagnosed in 2002. My pulmonologist at UMASS insists I nebulize to keep other unwanted bacteria out of my lungs. I don’t think it’s just because we have MAC but rather we have bronchiectasis which provides a perfect breeding ground for bad bacteria. Sometimes what we can do becomes what we must do. Irene5

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Oh Irene, I'm so sorry to hear about your husband and hope your decades of memories bring you comfort. Sending you thoughts of peace and sympathy.

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@irene5 So sorry to hear about your husband but how beautiful that you shared so many years together. Praying for you.

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To all of you who have shared condolences with me : Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Neither Eric nor I were smokers but lived in environments that probably contributed to his getting sarcoid and my getting MAC. The outpouring of kindness and support has been beyond anything my dear husband would have imagined as he was a quiet man. One of our ten is a soccer couch for a high school team, head of another soccer league , and a social worker! The amount of support there has been overwhelming! Fifty five years together , ten children, sixteen grand babies, and our first great grand baby in March is quite a blessing and a true gift. I am so glad my husband can finally breathe. God is good all the time! Blessings, Irene

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Profile picture for pmmar1 @pmmar1

I am 80 years old and have decided to let "nature take its course" as nature has a way of determining everyone's life expectancy, disease or not. I felt worse on the Big 3 than not and want to enjoy what "good" years, hopefully, I have left. At my age especially I don't want to feel worse than having the disease itself. I am fairly active now whereas I wasn't on the Big 3. I walk 1-2 miles daily with less fatigue than on the Big 3 and I keep busy reading, illustrating pictures, and educating myself in areas of interest. I was unable to do any of these while on the meds due to the fatigue/brain fog and some undesired side effects. I can't imagine feeling that way for the years I have left. There is longevity in my family, my mother passing at 101 and my father at 96 but neither had MAC/BE or the rare fungus, which cannot be treated to the degree that other fungi can, and which continues to grow worse in my lungs. I do know I only have so so much time left on this earth, and I want to make the best of that time, shortened or lengthened, in a natural way.

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This is my philosophy exactly, although I hadn't been able to express it so clearly. Thank you for sharing.

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This is my philosophy exactly, although I hadn't been able to express it so clearly. Thank you for sharing.

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@pled, thank you for your kind words. I rather suspect there are many others in our community who are wavering with their decisions, and I want them to know, from my perspective anyway, there are patients out there who would rather have a quality of life as opposed to quantity -- and the fact that medications may or may not be helpful. My best to you and to others as we move into unknown territory -- which exists whether we have illnesses or not.

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Profile picture for irenea8 @irenea8

I wonder what it is about AC that you dislike so much? Nebulizing with saline and Airway Clearance is recommended by all BE and MAC experts as being extremely important. Letting things take their course would be so much more unpleasant than nebulizing and AC. Perhaps you can find ways to make it more tolerable? I am 74 and I nebulize twice a day with saline and I used the Aerobika and postural drainage. For me what really helps is to watch TV (something attention grabbing like a good movie or series) while I nebulize. I wear headphones so I can hear the TV over the compressor. I just relax and surrender to the procedure and the time it takes. Since it makes a huge difference in getting up the suffocating mucus, I look forward to it. If I were you I would find some ways to make it tolerable or even enjoyable??

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I find doing the aerobic a very tough because I order to get mucus out. I have to breathe in very hard and hold it and then expel also very intensely. I do 5 to 6 sets of 20 each and by the time I’m done I am totally exhausted, even if I’m watching TV or on my iPad never left. Thank you for your Em

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Profile picture for cahcb4769 @cahcb4769

You couldn’t have said it better. That is exactly how I feel! I’m 74 and have had BE and MAC for 4 years. Everything is slowly getting worse. I did try the big 3 and landed in the hospital from side effects. Recently my Dr. added ethambutol, back in the hospital. Went off it a couple of days ago as it made me so sick I couldn’t eat! Became weak and dehydrated. Moral of this story and you nailed it for me, I’m going to stick with what I’m doing, nebulizing with 7% saline every morning, and then I have to nebulize with an inhaled antibiotic- I feel these two are helping get “stuff” up and that’s fine with me, but I don’t feel well at all, I never really did all those 4 years. Did not qualify for any surgery, so, I’m now going to “let nature take its course” because I can’t handle all the pain that comes from all the medication etc..I have wonderful friends, great grandchildren….my pulmonologist finally said at my last visit that I roughly have about 3 years so why kill myself in the meantime by feeling sick every day. Thank YOU for unknowingly helping ME! My new decision - keep doing what I can tolerate and leave the rest to the creator.

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I totally agree with you. Although I’m not giving up the fight yet if it gets tooo onerous at 75 I feel I will Enjoy life to the extent possible.

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Oh Irene, I'm so sorry to hear about your husband and hope your decades of memories bring you comfort. Sending you thoughts of peace and sympathy.

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I’m sorry to hear about your husband. That is just devastating. My husband and I have been together for seven years and we are almost like the same person now.
I can’t imagine what you’re going through and how painful it can be. I hope you are reaching out as much as possible and not isolating yourself.

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Profile picture for irene5 Irene Estes @irene5

I think your last sentence says it all- do what you can tolerate and leave the rest up to the creator. I’ve had MAC and aspergillosis for so many years and have been treated for both. Some treatments have been harder than others , but I’ve given it my best shot. I was told back in 2019 I would die. Only the good God knows that answer. My husband of 55 years just died last week of complications from sarcoidosis. He was 79. He was diagnosed in 2002. My pulmonologist at UMASS insists I nebulize to keep other unwanted bacteria out of my lungs. I don’t think it’s just because we have MAC but rather we have bronchiectasis which provides a perfect breeding ground for bad bacteria. Sometimes what we can do becomes what we must do. Irene5

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So sorry for your loss.

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