How did nebulizing with saline affect you?
I'm interested in knowing more about people's experience with nebulizing with either 3% or 7% saline. What differences do you notice when you compare symptoms before and after starting your regime? My pulmo doc says there's no good research indicating nebulizing is helpful, and believes flutter valve (aerobika) will do more. (I've watched the video presentation on nebulizing someone in this group recommended.) I'm particularly curious about the experience of those who cleared MAC infection and used nebulizing post treatment--and continued to test negative.
I don't have asthma and have never produced much sputum. Since a bronchoscopy in May (showing high levels of infection and some blood) and starting the big 3 five weeks later, I've produced none and almost never cough, never have coughed up blood, etc. Have had BE and MAC for at least 15 years.
Thank you all! This group is very helpful.
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@pacathy You might be onto something with regard to airway clearance and CF. The scant evidence for airway clearance is not surprising. After all, there's no pharmaceutical involved! Nonetheless I feel much better (albeit temporarily) after airway clearance and I feel like I am doing something to prevent the phlegm from pooling and tempting some pathogen to take up residence in my lungs. In addition AC cuts down on the amount of coughing I do in-between clearance sessions.
Here are 2 articles I found convincing.
https:thorax (httpsthorax.bmj_.comcontentthoraxjnl74Suppl_11.full_.pdf)
European Respiratory Society statement on airway clearance techniques in adults with bronchiectasis (European-Respiratory-Society-statement-on-airway-clearance-techniques-in-adults-with-bronchiectasis.pdf)
Can I ask why your Pulmologist doesn’t think you’re a candidate for Brensocatib? I hope she/he gave you a reason.
Thanks, Scoop, for those references and for addressing the full airway clearance question. The European reference had very good info.
When I was working years ago, we spent a LOT of time getting patients up, having them deep breath, suctioning when needed, etc., all to get their secretions out and prevent pneumonias. As a result, it was easy to convince me airway clearance is important in bronchiectasis. It's the details like frequency, saline concentration, etc. that I like to check.
Thanks again.
Here is a link to the published article, complete with tables, that I found easier to read:
https://publications.ersnet.org/content/erj/62/1/2202053
This is the European Respiratory Society conclusion after reviewing thousands of studies:
"The current evidence supports that ACTs are an effective treatment and have a crucial part in the usual care of adults with bronchiectasis. Accessibility to ACTs should be facilitated and ideally delivered by a specialist respiratory physiotherapist. However, there is limited evidence establishing the physiological effect of these techniques and current clinical practice based on geographical regions remains largely unclear. The use of data from large patient registries could help to better understand ACT practice globally. Randomised clinical trials indicate that ACTs increase the expectorated sputum, improve disease symptoms and HRQoL and reduce the risk of exacerbations, although they often have an unclear risk of bias or a poor description of their techniques. There is a great need for studies to investigate the role of ACTs during acute exacerbations of bronchiectasis and in the long term. Additionally, researchers can consider different settings, new modes of application and novel outcomes for future ACTs studies. Importantly, to achieve optimal care, study designs need to incorporate patient-centred outcomes and patient voice."
I will offer my own "study" - In the three plus years since I have been 1) managing my asthma properly and 2) doing daily airway clearance (using 7% saline for some sessions) I have gone from 2-3 exacerbations per year requiring steroids and antibiotics to 2 exacerbations in 39 months. During that time I have traveled extensively, been around lots of kids and older people (both groups are great at spreading their germs), and had a bout of Covid.
Scientific studies or not, I am convinced.
BUT what did interest me is that NOT ONE of the cited studies in the tables recommended trying to get rid of "every last bit" of mucus. So I stand by the advice of my very first pulmonary nurse - never more than 20 minutes per session (after the neb).
For me there are also psychological benefits from doing multiple modes of AC throughout the day, knowing I'm doing everything possible to clear gunk from my lungs and hopefully prevent or reduce the likelihood of future infections, and hopefully prevent further lung damage from MAC or other bothersome bugs as well. I'm not bothered by the lack of concrete evidence that AC is beneficial to BE and MAC patients. Like scoop mentioned, no pharmaceutical company is going to spend millions proving or disproving that cheap salt water or $60 devices (acapella, etc.) or free things like huff coughing and active cycle breathing reduce exacerbation rates and/or bacteria counts. So, for me, forward on with AC. Peace and blessings to all.
Thank you, Sue, for the information and for your experience. I really appreciate it! As with so many things, there seem to be no clearly definite answers. I'm not sure what to do for myself: to neb or not to neb. I see my pulmo doc next month and will discuss some more with him.
thanks -- this was really great to know!
I too have found completing airway clearance to be quite time consuming. However, I attribute regular - once daily - nebulizing with 7% saline solution in addition to other techniques - to my most recent sputum samples being negative for MAC. I was positive for MAC about a year and a half ago, but we opted for the watch and wait plan.
Have you had 3 negative tests? I've had 2 negative sputum cultures, and my 3rd was negative at 3 weeks-but was told I need to wait until test is finalized to get confirmed negative. I have been nebulizing 2x/day with 7% since last November.
When you use the nebulizer with saline, is anything mixed with the saline? I ask this because I was told not to use saline alone. Just making sure I understand.