Decide against aromatase inhibitors?

Posted by ruffianfan55 @ruffianfan55, Jul 2 12:02pm

I have DCIS ER+PR+, stage 2, treated with lumpectomy(clear margins) and radiation. I’m 70 and am leaning towards not taking aromatase inhibitors since they only lower the risk of recurrence by 2%. Has anyone else decided the same and do they regret it?

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my wife had a similar profile, grade 1/ She took letrozole for one year and was miserable. Part of that bone pain came from her acute menopause, having been in the minority and having taken Premarin for 30 years since hysterectomy/oophorectomy. Her pain was severe bone pain. Her medical oncologist at a major university was next to worthless, saying most people didn't have such severe symptoms. But the literature review says 25-35% of women stop the aromatase inhibitors. Just reading this forum it appears that women are getting 'stock' answers instead of some of the individualized care they should be receiving. I've learned more about women's struggles through this site than anyplace else. Osteopenia is a major issue. In my review of the literature, if the risk factors are there biphosphonate therapy started concurrently with the aromatic inhibitors can prevent a lot of the bone loss. My wife's severe osteopenia was treated sloppily. Her risk of compression fractures is higher than her risk of recurrence. Obviously everyone has to make their own decisions but we have been very unhappy with advice received. As a retired surgeon I have been able to help her more than others may be able but I have felt ignored, condescended to and gaslighted. We are getting a second opinion or even just changing our care to Dana Farber next week. Age is an issue, my wife 75 when diagnosed, 77 now. Decisions obviously different for age and tumor type.

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I’m tearing up as I’m reading this. Thank you for posting.

I have severe bone pain. The gaslighting, the apathy…. All of it is WILD! It makes for a very lonely journey.

I’ve been using chatGPT to try to understand the mechanism behind the pain as my Oncologist is NOT helpful. Maybe it’s the acute menopause with the osteopenia exacerbating the pain. Your wife and I have that in common. Interesting to consider.

My pain is deep in my thighs and started with my first chemo treatment. It feels like the back end of a Charlie horse that doesn’t go away. It radiates up into my hips.

I’ve done a Nuc Med bone scan to check for metastasis. I’ve done Dexa bone density scan as well.

I’m SO thankful that the first scan did not show metastasis. My Dexa did show early onset osteopenia. I’m 43. The oncologist told me not to worry about it. Lol

I’m in the midst of weaning myself off of endocrine therapy post mastectomy, chemo, reconstruction. I was taking Letrozole and also a Zoladex shot.

Women are TOUGH!!!! If half of us are forgoing the “best treatment” because of side effects something is VERY WRONG!

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I’m tearing up as I’m reading this. Thank you for posting.

I have severe bone pain. The gaslighting, the apathy…. All of it is WILD! It makes for a very lonely journey.

I’ve been using chatGPT to try to understand the mechanism behind the pain as my Oncologist is NOT helpful. Maybe it’s the acute menopause with the osteopenia exacerbating the pain. Your wife and I have that in common. Interesting to consider.

My pain is deep in my thighs and started with my first chemo treatment. It feels like the back end of a Charlie horse that doesn’t go away. It radiates up into my hips.

I’ve done a Nuc Med bone scan to check for metastasis. I’ve done Dexa bone density scan as well.

I’m SO thankful that the first scan did not show metastasis. My Dexa did show early onset osteopenia. I’m 43. The oncologist told me not to worry about it. Lol

I’m in the midst of weaning myself off of endocrine therapy post mastectomy, chemo, reconstruction. I was taking Letrozole and also a Zoladex shot.

Women are TOUGH!!!! If half of us are forgoing the “best treatment” because of side effects something is VERY WRONG!

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Thanks for your note. I'm sorry to hear you are hurting. My wife was told that her pain was 'unusual'. The oncologists, in our experience, may know how to cure a cancer but they sure are limited in their understanding of pain and that you are actually a human being. We were told- Oh you're so unusual. Now we have a club of two, but I guess it will continue to grow.
I have been told by three physicians that osteoporosis doesn't hurt. The is mostly true. But osteoclastic activity, which is the breakdown of bone caused by acute menopause and some of the anticancer agents does. That's in the literature. As a physician, I can read the medical literature. But nevertheless you might find 'googling' various words that you can access to articles that you might be able to understand, but at a minimum accessing sites written for the lay person.
The only advice I can give is that if you have breast cancer at 43, don't ignore your oncologists advice on long term anticancer agents to lower the risk of recurrence. Get another opinion if you're not happy.
It is critical to monitor bone health throughout this process. It's critical and your onco-endocrinologist should be able to help guide this. You have a long life ahead of you so it is so critical to make the right choices. Sorry you had to join the pain club, hope it abates.

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I had ILC and after two lumpectomy procedures and radiation I opted out of estrogen blockers. However, now five years later I have been diagnosed with metastatic bone cancer. It is in my spine and pelvic area. Maybe I should have taken the recommended therapy. I’m now taking Anastrozole. So far it has lowered my tumor markers a little.

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Perhaps it would not have made any difference. In conjunction with other treatments, it should help now. Sorry that you had this happen, hope that you keep it at bay for many years.

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I've already had a compression fracture because of osteopenia. Then came the breast cancer with the lumpectomy and radiation. But you hit on something no one mentions: Age. I'm 86 and all the doctors treat me differently than they did 20-30 years ago. My friends say the same thing. We're herded in and out of doctor's offices and labs like cattle. I feel they look at me as a nuisance and they think she's going to die soon anyway. The trouble is all the doctors who might look at age differently are retired themselves. I would like these younger doctors (meaning 60 and under) to think I'm just as important and care just as much and want to feel better as any younger person. For instance my last overall health record put me as barely ambulatory. They didn't have a clue. I swim 4 days a week for 45 minutes and walk on the treadmill 30 to 35 minutes. I wonder if AI wrote the report instead of the nurse and doctor. Sarcasm intended, but therein lies truth.

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@luckbme
86 youre swimming 4 days a week for 45 minutes and on the treadmill 30-35! Wow! More than Highly impressed!
Youre an Inspiration!
Girl, keep doing what youre doing!
You dont need any more exercise going to a doctors office!
🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷💃💃💃💃💃

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I had ILC and after two lumpectomy procedures and radiation I opted out of estrogen blockers. However, now five years later I have been diagnosed with metastatic bone cancer. It is in my spine and pelvic area. Maybe I should have taken the recommended therapy. I’m now taking Anastrozole. So far it has lowered my tumor markers a little.

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So sorry it happens to you! The metastasis could have been caused by dormant cancer cells that decide to wake up. That being the case, then even if you had taken AI, it wouldn't have made any difference. I pray you will be in remission soon. Hugs.

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I had DCIS 15 years ago and had a lumpectomy and radiation. My oncologist wanted me to take tamoxifen but I declined and took Evista instead. Two years ago, my breast cancer returned but was only stage 1. I had a unilateral mastectomy and started taking Anastrozole an aromatase inhibitor. No radiation since that breat had already been radiated with the DCIS. I’m 74 years old.

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@srussell

Re: Aromatase Inhibitors, osteoporosis, and joint pain.

Had knee joint pain and burning leg pain.

I have ILC, had lumpectomy and started Letrozole 2 1/4 years ago. Breckinridge Letrozole.
Horrible total hip pain at two year point, up all night and went to the bathroom 7 times. (Letrozole causes you to urinate more but not that
much. ) Switched to Accord Letrozole and lasted 3 months on it. Was having muscles give way above and below left knee.-( Possible Letrozole side effect.) Now on 3 months off.

Doctors do not know or tell you any remedies…
I took Glucosamine Chodroitrin, plant collagen, collagen with boron and frankincense, generic Claritin, melatonin, tart cherry capsules and magnesium, turmeric, COQ10 and Reservatrol.
Took vitamin D with vitamin K.
**Seems it is known that you need the vitamin D with K to build bones. Magnesium not at the same time but it is needed with D and K for same reason.

Clear all these through your Dr.

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@shelbym
Are you saying you’ve had breast cancer 5 times with a different makeup each time or you have had 5 different types of cancer? If 5 different types can I ask what they are? I’m curious if they are all related to one tumor suppression mutation. I have two known cancer mutations (BRCA2 CHEK2) but my family has had so many different types of cancer that I’m guessing there are more genetic mutations in the family.

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Yup 5 cancers. Two were in the same family those 2 were anal (surgery, chemo radiation) and cervical.
The others were, thymoma attacking my heart (surgery and radiation). Skin cancer (surgery) and now breast cancer (idc) just surgery so far.

I did do the DNA test, I was negative for mutant cells. So,they don’t know why.

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