Questions for people taking Actemra and Kevzara injections

Posted by jeff97 @jeff97, Aug 1 5:04am

I'm curious about other people's experience getting their injections. Recently my rheumatologist sent in a new prescription for me for 2 refills of Actemra where each refill had 12 injections. My Medicare Advantage plan imposed a 4 injection limit per refill, so the specialty pharmacy changed the prescription to 6 refills of 4 injections each. I live in the Raleigh area of North Carolina, and the specialty pharmacy is in Memphis Tennessee, which is about 750 miles away.

How many injections do you get at a time, and how far away is the specialty pharmacy you deal with?

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My doctor had to jump through some hoops to get Actemra approved for PMR. The authorization request mentioned being unable to taper off prednisone. The other factor was that all other suitable alternatives had failed … notably methotrexate.

How are you doing on 3mg. Even with Actemra, I had to stay on 3mg for 6 months to allow time for my cortisol level to improve. Actemra prevented a flare of PMR. Otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to stay at 3 mg let alone taper off prednisone.

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How am I doing at 3 mg?
I see the rheumatologist tomorrow (Wed). Monday I had my markers, crp was 8.7 ( should be < 5) and sed rate was 5 (should be < 30). My crp is almost always elevated and my sed rate always normal. My markers in June were higher crp 14.7, sed rate 14. I was alternating 2.5 and 2 mg and not feeling all that great. I messaged the Dr about feeling overly achy and fatigued. He said to just stay at 3 mg until my appointment. I am feeling better at 3 mg, This hot humid weather doesn't help. I'm a little stiff in the mornings. I don't think that's ever going to go away.

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I just met with my new rheumatologist now that I have GCA as I just got off medication for PMR (2mg Preddie and 2.5 methotrexate) .
My CR-P was 83 but after six days on the megadose of 60 mg. of Prednisone, the number has dropped to seven.
My rheumy recommends the monthly Actemra infusions over the two week self-injection for consistency purposes. He thinks that is more beneficial. If I self-inject it comes out of my pharmacy medicine- a different plan.
I just learned that my GA State Health Benefit Plan with Anthem -Blue Cross Blue Shield (I'm a retired teacher) charges $484.26 monthly for the infusion until I meet my deductible of $3,500. This won't happen by December because I haven't spent much money.
I am now learning that I will start with this deductible cost again in January until I reach $3,500. I won't pay for the remaining months of that year.
I am on a learning curve here because I've had good health until the PMR and now the GCA.
I am going to call State Health in the morning but doubt there is any way to reduce the cost unless I change to some other drug.
I will say that the 60 mg of Prednisone gives me energy and a high but I know it is destroying my body- my "frenemy..."
Every two weeks I will drop 10 mg. of "Preddie" as long as my blood tests look good. This seems what I have been reading here with some of you- same regimen.
Has anyone had success for GCA with another less expensive medication?
Has anyone eventually gotten off Actemra or another medication in time when there is no more inflammation? I seem to remember that if you do, you might have a flare.
Needless to say, I have lots of questions and will also be talking with the nurse tomorrow for answers.
Thank you for your help and input.

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I just met with my new rheumatologist now that I have GCA as I just got off medication for PMR (2mg Preddie and 2.5 methotrexate) .
My CR-P was 83 but after six days on the megadose of 60 mg. of Prednisone, the number has dropped to seven.
My rheumy recommends the monthly Actemra infusions over the two week self-injection for consistency purposes. He thinks that is more beneficial. If I self-inject it comes out of my pharmacy medicine- a different plan.
I just learned that my GA State Health Benefit Plan with Anthem -Blue Cross Blue Shield (I'm a retired teacher) charges $484.26 monthly for the infusion until I meet my deductible of $3,500. This won't happen by December because I haven't spent much money.
I am now learning that I will start with this deductible cost again in January until I reach $3,500. I won't pay for the remaining months of that year.
I am on a learning curve here because I've had good health until the PMR and now the GCA.
I am going to call State Health in the morning but doubt there is any way to reduce the cost unless I change to some other drug.
I will say that the 60 mg of Prednisone gives me energy and a high but I know it is destroying my body- my "frenemy..."
Every two weeks I will drop 10 mg. of "Preddie" as long as my blood tests look good. This seems what I have been reading here with some of you- same regimen.
Has anyone had success for GCA with another less expensive medication?
Has anyone eventually gotten off Actemra or another medication in time when there is no more inflammation? I seem to remember that if you do, you might have a flare.
Needless to say, I have lots of questions and will also be talking with the nurse tomorrow for answers.
Thank you for your help and input.

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@kathren I have several comments and questions about your post.

I'm surprised that your rheumatologist said Actemra infusions are more consistent than biweekly injections. I take weekly injections. I would think weekly injections are at least as consistent as monthly infusions, if not more so. I'm surprised he didn't mention the option of weekly injections to you. I would think the out of pocket for you would be the same for weekly or biweekly injections, since both would exceed your maximum for the year.

I'm glad to hear you're feeling so good at 60 mg prednisone. I have GCA and PMR, and I had very bad insomnia for the 12 weeks I was above 40 mg of prednisone. I felt like a zombie during the day from not sleeping.

As far as I know, the other drugs for GCA are still very expensive. The only ones I know of are Rinvoq and Tyenne, which is a biosimilar drug to Actemra. Rinvoq is a pill, but it has a lot of potential side effects, and is more expensive than Actemra. Tyenne is cheaper than Actemra, but I think it would still exceed your maximum out of pocket.

I have been taking Actemra for a year, and I expect to keep taking it for at least a couple more years. There is some risk of relapse even when you're taking Actemra, and the risk does go up once you stop taking it. But I am really enjoying the way I feel now that I'm almost finished with prednisone (1 mg per day). I'm feeling much better than I have in several years.

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I just met with my new rheumatologist now that I have GCA as I just got off medication for PMR (2mg Preddie and 2.5 methotrexate) .
My CR-P was 83 but after six days on the megadose of 60 mg. of Prednisone, the number has dropped to seven.
My rheumy recommends the monthly Actemra infusions over the two week self-injection for consistency purposes. He thinks that is more beneficial. If I self-inject it comes out of my pharmacy medicine- a different plan.
I just learned that my GA State Health Benefit Plan with Anthem -Blue Cross Blue Shield (I'm a retired teacher) charges $484.26 monthly for the infusion until I meet my deductible of $3,500. This won't happen by December because I haven't spent much money.
I am now learning that I will start with this deductible cost again in January until I reach $3,500. I won't pay for the remaining months of that year.
I am on a learning curve here because I've had good health until the PMR and now the GCA.
I am going to call State Health in the morning but doubt there is any way to reduce the cost unless I change to some other drug.
I will say that the 60 mg of Prednisone gives me energy and a high but I know it is destroying my body- my "frenemy..."
Every two weeks I will drop 10 mg. of "Preddie" as long as my blood tests look good. This seems what I have been reading here with some of you- same regimen.
Has anyone had success for GCA with another less expensive medication?
Has anyone eventually gotten off Actemra or another medication in time when there is no more inflammation? I seem to remember that if you do, you might have a flare.
Needless to say, I have lots of questions and will also be talking with the nurse tomorrow for answers.
Thank you for your help and input.

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There are financial assistance programs for Actemra that may help with the cost. I don't know how these programs work but there is a number to call in the link below.
https://www.actemra.com/ra/financial-support/assistance-options.html
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I currently do monthly infusions of Actemra. I have also done injections in the past. Either the injections or a monthly infusion should work equally well. I'm not sure what your doctor means by "consistency" of doing infusions. I suppose there are some additional variables to consider with the injections. The timing of my injection wasn't always consistent. I went from an injection every 2 weeks to a weekly injection. One time, I needed to skip a weekly injection because of an abnormal lab value.

I personally like doing a monthly infusion better than the injections. My injections were a "fixed dose" whereas my doctor can adjust my monthly infusion dose as needed.

Actemra is now a "trusted friend" and it has never been my enemy. My friendship with Actemra has lasted more than 6 years.

Prednisone was a good friend in the beginning but our relationship got worse with time. We completely parted ways about 4 years ago. However, my doctor says I should take prednisone with me when I travel.

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@kathren I have several comments and questions about your post.

I'm surprised that your rheumatologist said Actemra infusions are more consistent than biweekly injections. I take weekly injections. I would think weekly injections are at least as consistent as monthly infusions, if not more so. I'm surprised he didn't mention the option of weekly injections to you. I would think the out of pocket for you would be the same for weekly or biweekly injections, since both would exceed your maximum for the year.

I'm glad to hear you're feeling so good at 60 mg prednisone. I have GCA and PMR, and I had very bad insomnia for the 12 weeks I was above 40 mg of prednisone. I felt like a zombie during the day from not sleeping.

As far as I know, the other drugs for GCA are still very expensive. The only ones I know of are Rinvoq and Tyenne, which is a biosimilar drug to Actemra. Rinvoq is a pill, but it has a lot of potential side effects, and is more expensive than Actemra. Tyenne is cheaper than Actemra, but I think it would still exceed your maximum out of pocket.

I have been taking Actemra for a year, and I expect to keep taking it for at least a couple more years. There is some risk of relapse even when you're taking Actemra, and the risk does go up once you stop taking it. But I am really enjoying the way I feel now that I'm almost finished with prednisone (1 mg per day). I'm feeling much better than I have in several years.

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Thank you so much for your response.
Your experience gives me an idea of the up and down sides of Actemra.
And everyone's body responds differently.
The office closes on Thursday so I will probably hear from the nurse and scheduler on Monday.
I am happy to hear how well you are doing. That gives me hope and a more confident attitude to receive the infusions.
I have my squeeze ball in my hand for the event since I like to distract myself... LOL
Again, thank you for your quick response.

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There are financial assistance programs for Actemra that may help with the cost. I don't know how these programs work but there is a number to call in the link below.
https://www.actemra.com/ra/financial-support/assistance-options.html
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I currently do monthly infusions of Actemra. I have also done injections in the past. Either the injections or a monthly infusion should work equally well. I'm not sure what your doctor means by "consistency" of doing infusions. I suppose there are some additional variables to consider with the injections. The timing of my injection wasn't always consistent. I went from an injection every 2 weeks to a weekly injection. One time, I needed to skip a weekly injection because of an abnormal lab value.

I personally like doing a monthly infusion better than the injections. My injections were a "fixed dose" whereas my doctor can adjust my monthly infusion dose as needed.

Actemra is now a "trusted friend" and it has never been my enemy. My friendship with Actemra has lasted more than 6 years.

Prednisone was a good friend in the beginning but our relationship got worse with time. We completely parted ways about 4 years ago. However, my doctor says I should take prednisone with me when I travel.

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Thank you for your speedy response.
You have provided a lot of good information as I process this unexpected next step on my health path.
You have tried the Actemra a variety of ways and perhaps your "bottom line" is why my doctor prefers the monthly infusions.
I want to travel so I appreciated the advice of taking along the Prednisone.
I have a medicine cabinet of dosages... lol
I am compiling my questions for the insurance company, nurse and scheduler who I think will call on Monday since the practice closes on Thursday evenings.
I suspect you will receive more questions from me as I move forward.
Congratulations on doing so well. That is reassuring to me and great quality of life for you.
Blessings.

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@kathren I have several comments and questions about your post.

I'm surprised that your rheumatologist said Actemra infusions are more consistent than biweekly injections. I take weekly injections. I would think weekly injections are at least as consistent as monthly infusions, if not more so. I'm surprised he didn't mention the option of weekly injections to you. I would think the out of pocket for you would be the same for weekly or biweekly injections, since both would exceed your maximum for the year.

I'm glad to hear you're feeling so good at 60 mg prednisone. I have GCA and PMR, and I had very bad insomnia for the 12 weeks I was above 40 mg of prednisone. I felt like a zombie during the day from not sleeping.

As far as I know, the other drugs for GCA are still very expensive. The only ones I know of are Rinvoq and Tyenne, which is a biosimilar drug to Actemra. Rinvoq is a pill, but it has a lot of potential side effects, and is more expensive than Actemra. Tyenne is cheaper than Actemra, but I think it would still exceed your maximum out of pocket.

I have been taking Actemra for a year, and I expect to keep taking it for at least a couple more years. There is some risk of relapse even when you're taking Actemra, and the risk does go up once you stop taking it. But I am really enjoying the way I feel now that I'm almost finished with prednisone (1 mg per day). I'm feeling much better than I have in several years.

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I have been taking monthly infusions of Actemera for two year for PMR and suspected GCA. I was able to get down to 3 mg of prednisone. I am on Medicare and have BCBS as a supplemental. They would not pay for the weekly injection without it costing 1,700 a month. The infusions are only a 20.00 co pay. Actemera has worked great for me, no pain at all.

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I have been taking monthly infusions of Actemera for two year for PMR and suspected GCA. I was able to get down to 3 mg of prednisone. I am on Medicare and have BCBS as a supplemental. They would not pay for the weekly injection without it costing 1,700 a month. The infusions are only a 20.00 co pay. Actemera has worked great for me, no pain at all.

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Wow! That's a great co-pay and it is great that you are doing so well.
I wonder if rheumatologists bypass that biopsy nowadays since there are these new drugs when GCA is suspected.
Thanks for sharing your situation and experience.

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Wow! That's a great co-pay and it is great that you are doing so well.
I wonder if rheumatologists bypass that biopsy nowadays since there are these new drugs when GCA is suspected.
Thanks for sharing your situation and experience.

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I don't think they bypass the biopsy if the person hasn't already been taking prednisone. The biopsy is usually valid if it is done within 2 weeks of starting prednisone, but sooner is better. I had a biopsy the second day I was in the hospital for temporary vision loss, and it was positive. Plus the new drugs take time to take effect. They can take long as 3 months to reach full effect. Prednisone has to be used until the drugs take effect, and then you have to taper off of the prednisone.

MRI scans are being used more to diagnose GCA, and hopefully they will replace biopsies eventually.

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I have been on Prednisone for one and half years for PMR, recently dropping down to the 2mg of "preddie" and 2.5 of MTX which my rheumatologist told me to stop now that I am on 60 mg of "preddie."

Thanks for letting me know that the new drug will take some time to take effect. I guess that is normal but good to know.

You have a positive story- thankfully.

It will be a relief if the MRI scans can diagnose GCA effectively so folks don't have to have biopsies.
Be well and enjoy the day. Quality of life on these drugs is important.
I guess researchers will eventually figure out what is in our DNA that makes us prone to this somewhat rare disease.

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