Newbie here. Scared and overwhelmed by MAC treatment plan

Posted by ccarter1004 @ccarter1004, 6 days ago

I will soon be doing 12 weeks of IV Amikacin plus big 3 for a year to 18mo. How do you muster the mental strength to battle all of the side effects? What is the reality of what you can physically do day to day. Will I be incapacitated by the fatigue and side effects? How much of my day to day life will be compromised? Please share your experience especially what a “good day” looks like and how often those happen. I have visions of being bedridden with nausea and fatigue.

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@egayle187

@ccarter1004... I had a completely different experience with the antibiotics. 14 months on the Big 3 got rid of MAC. I've been free of it for 13 years. Any nausea was treated with ginger chews and ginger water. Now I am dealing with another deep lung infection with tobramycin and ciprofloxacin, alternating with azithromycin, alternating with IV antibiotic for 21 days. I take a nap after cough during postural drainage. I am retired and do my normal house chores with frequent breaks. I have added activities that help me rest, such as sewing , making jewelry, genealogy online, and puzzles. I listen to books on tape while lying down for postural drainage. On good air days, I spend one hour in my garden out of the sun. MAC made me retire since I could no longer work with children. I found other things to keep my mind busy. I hope you have a job working from home and are close to the hospital for IV infusions. My hospital is 60 miles away, but the trips were worth it for the great improvement in my lung health.

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I am sorry you are still struggling with lung issues. I am retired but very active. Your MAC part of the story gives me hope. I have been doing too much reading and much sounds so dire.

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@lc34

Last fall, I was diagnosed with MAC with a large cavity. I started the Big 3 (daily) in November, plus 3 months of IV Amikacin 3 times per week. I was terrified of the disease and the treatment, like you are. I’m 54 years old, married with grown children, and I work full time in a job I love. I have had no side effects from the treatment and I’ve continued to work full time. The PICC line for the IV was inconvenient but I got through it. I did my IV treatments at work (when a nurse came once a week to draw blood and change my bandage) and at home at night on the days the nurse didn’t come. The IV pharmacy shipped the Amikacin and IV supplies to my house and provided the nurse. My sputum samples have been negative since December and my CT scan in June showed the cavity has filled in. I will continue to take the Big 3 every day until this December. I recently started using a nebulizer with 7% saline every day for airway clearance to hopefully reduce my chances of ever getting MAC again. This forum has been a godsend for me. I’ve never posted before but thought you may want to hear from someone who has had a positive experience with the treatment plan you’re facing. I have been fortunate that I’ve been able to continue to live my life, work, and do everything I was doing before my diagnosis throughout my treatment. Best wishes to you as you start this journey!

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Oh thank you so much for sharing your story. It literally brought me to tears. I have been searching for a story like yours to offset my hopelessness and sadness about what is ahead. Thank you again❤️

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@wolfplanetzero

I experienced no debilitating side effects from the Big 3 meds or nebulized amikacin, just occasional nausea probably from the rifampin which I treated with ginger ale and ginger chews. Since it's localized to the lungs, nebulized amikacin diluted with .9 % saline might be easier to tolerate than IV infusions, and there's no PICC line to worry about. Arikayce, which is amikacin optimized for inhalation, could be even better, though cost / insurance approval could be an issue since the usual standard is to start that medication after six months of Big 3 therapy, and if sputum results are still positive. Good luck.

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Oh thank you! Hearing from those of you that have had a more manageable time of it is hopeful! I will talk to them about the inhaler version vs IV. Thank you!

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@irenea8

Can you be set up to do the infusions at home? Which IV antibiotic do they have you alternating?

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My insurance (Humana Medicare Advantage) doesn't pay for home infusions. Ertapenem.

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@irenea8

Can you be set up to do the infusions at home? Which IV antibiotic do they have you alternating?

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my question is for egayle187

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@ccarter1004

Oh thank you! Hearing from those of you that have had a more manageable time of it is hopeful! I will talk to them about the inhaler version vs IV. Thank you!

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Certainly! The kit for inhaled amikacin consists of amikacin vials, syringes to pull out the medication from the vials, .9 percent saline in plastic tubes, and alcohol wipes to wipe down the top of the vial before inserting the needle. Instructions can be found on the NJH website. Any jet nebulizer should work. Albuterol is sometimes used as a pre-treatment medication.
https://www.nationaljewish.org/conditions/medications/asthma-medications/devices/nebulizers/inhaled-amikacin-using-aeroeclipse-xl-ban-breath-actuated-nebulizer

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@egayle187

My insurance (Humana Medicare Advantage) doesn't pay for home infusions. Ertapenem.

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Oh Right of course. You have to pay for much of it out of pocket. I wonder if any hospital can be used as the infusion center to avoid that charge. I live blocks from our local hospital but that is not where my pulmo is. Is the Ertapenem for Pseudomonas or do you know?

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@irenea8

Oh Right of course. You have to pay for much of it out of pocket. I wonder if any hospital can be used as the infusion center to avoid that charge. I live blocks from our local hospital but that is not where my pulmo is. Is the Ertapenem for Pseudomonas or do you know?

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no Ertapenem is not for Pseudo. So never mind that question. I looked it up. Sorry!

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@ccarter1004

I am so sorry to hear about how hard this has been for you.

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I just wanted to make all you beautiful people with bronchiectasis and Mac aware regarding trials and the way you may be convinced to enroll. I’m now fervent in protecting you all. Not every medic tells the truth. They are influenced by the drug companies. The simplest advice I can offer is ALWAYS ask the question: “if I’m given placebo with two of the usual drugs, will I be vulnerable in terms of becoming antibiotic resistant to any or all of the normal drugs regimen that they recommend to arrest MAC’s progress. I will keep you all updated. Meanwhile, keep strong. Your quality of life is largely determined by your own positivity. 🥰

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@gemini1956

Hi Newbie,

I was diagnosed with MAC and bronchiectasis in 2012. I’ve stayed relatively well until I enlisted on Encore/Insmed trial in Sept 23. The trial lasted 1 year and consisted of lipo amakacyn, clarithromycin and ethambutol. My hearing and eyesight was checked during trial and although hearing in left ear appeared to diminish, it was hard to attribute this to the meds. I knew I might be ‘placebo’ instead of amakaycin BUT didn’t realise until my hospital admission this week that if you don’t do at least 3 drug regime, there is a huge risk of developing antibiotic resistance. My clinicians really want me to start amakaycin/azithromycin/ethambutol/rifampacin but I’ve refused, for now, because of the fact that, as pointed out by lung consultant, only having 2 of the antibiotics could render me antibiotic resistant!! I don’t want to take ethambutol or rifampicin!! I’m 69 and only went downhill (in spread of Mac disease) AFTER trial finished. I’m angry, to be honest, because NO ONE outlined to me the risk of antibiotic resistance (if I was a placebo patient rather than a patient who was actually given amakacin)! I’m furious as this enlightenment about minimum drug regime has, potentially, given me a DEATH sentence! I’ve loved my life. I’ve kept as fit as I could. However, since end of trial in Sept 2024, my MAC disease has rapidly progressed. I’ve got a wonderful partner and loving family and friends BUT the Encore trial of amakacin has SEVERELY jeopardised my health! They know it….. and now I know it! Insmed never even wanted to purchase a small fridge for me to help with storage of amakacin. They’re only interested in PROFIT! Please think carefully about any trial…… you won’t always know the truth until it’s too late. 😢

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Were the doctors who saw/treated you in hospital specialists in NTM/MAC? I ask because we have a number of members who have successfully cleared their infections on a 2 drug regimen after being unable to tolerate either rifampin or ethambutol. There is also some emerging evidence that rifampin may not be needed to treat NTM inso e case.

Before you resign yourself to what you describe as a "death sentence" have you considered consulting with Mayo, National Jewish Health or another center specializing in Bronchiectasis and MAC?

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