13-year-old daughter with refractory epilepsy

Posted by ebrown78 @ebrown78, Jun 7 10:54am

Hello, my 13-year-old daughter was diagnosed with epilepsy at age 7. She had an explosive onset with 3 episodes of status epileptus in less than 2 months. She had close to 1000 seizures over 8 months and failed several meds. The seizures completely stopped after 8 months and were gone for years. She began with absences a little over 2 years later, then myoclonic jerks for about a year only on and off and now tonic clonic seizures several days a week. She is again refractory to meds, had a clean WES, WGS and MRI. She is a mystery that we need solved. We are looking for the best place to bring her and are unsure if Jacksonville would be a good fit or if she should go to Rochester. Any advice is appreciated.

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@santosha I don’t mind at all and appreciate your advice! She initially started in 2018 and had her last seizure on 2/14/19. About two and a half years later she started with absence seizures around age 11. She got her period in 12/23 and around that time started with myoclonic jerks, which seemed worse when she was menstruating. On 12/25/24, she had a TC. After that her myoclonics increased through March of this year and then completely stopped by the end of March. On April 4 she had another TC. Then she had one TC a week in April. In May she had 20 TCs and continues in June. She had a EMU stay at the end of May where she had a dose of steroids and added a new med. She is taking progesterone as well. She has had negative MRI and WGS.

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@ebrown78
Thank you for sharing that additional information with us.
I am sorry to hear that the previous experiences your daughter had at epilepsy centers have not been of much help.
As a doctor once explained to me, seizures can start before the first menstruation because of hormonal changes. Perhaps this is what has happened to your daughter? As I suffer from catamenial seizures (hormone-related seizures), my doctor, together with my gynecologist have put me on a birth control pill that I take without pausing for up to 6 months. It has reduced my seizures triggered by hormonal changes greatly, especially while menstruating.
You mentioned your daughter's seizures start with focal ones evolving to secondary generalized seizures. My seizures also start with focal ones, and I was diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy. The first MRIs I had, did not show any brain damage; all was OK. But later, through a specific MRI, it showed that I have a small mesial sclerosis in my temporal lobe, a type of epilepsy which is known to be highly refractory to medication. My epilepsy is also not genetically related; it was caused by an accident I had when I was 5 years old. It remained silent until I started puberty.
Today, after several trials and errors in my epilepsy journey, my seizures have been under control for 5 months already with Keppra. So, there is hope!!!
You said that your daughter is taking progesterone daily. Has this changed her seizure pattern during her menstruation?
Do you know in which part of the brain the seizures of your daughter start?
I hope Mayo can bring you new perspectives and treatment options!
All my best!
Chris

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@ebrown78
Thank you for sharing that additional information with us.
I am sorry to hear that the previous experiences your daughter had at epilepsy centers have not been of much help.
As a doctor once explained to me, seizures can start before the first menstruation because of hormonal changes. Perhaps this is what has happened to your daughter? As I suffer from catamenial seizures (hormone-related seizures), my doctor, together with my gynecologist have put me on a birth control pill that I take without pausing for up to 6 months. It has reduced my seizures triggered by hormonal changes greatly, especially while menstruating.
You mentioned your daughter's seizures start with focal ones evolving to secondary generalized seizures. My seizures also start with focal ones, and I was diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy. The first MRIs I had, did not show any brain damage; all was OK. But later, through a specific MRI, it showed that I have a small mesial sclerosis in my temporal lobe, a type of epilepsy which is known to be highly refractory to medication. My epilepsy is also not genetically related; it was caused by an accident I had when I was 5 years old. It remained silent until I started puberty.
Today, after several trials and errors in my epilepsy journey, my seizures have been under control for 5 months already with Keppra. So, there is hope!!!
You said that your daughter is taking progesterone daily. Has this changed her seizure pattern during her menstruation?
Do you know in which part of the brain the seizures of your daughter start?
I hope Mayo can bring you new perspectives and treatment options!
All my best!
Chris

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Hi Chris,
My brain MRI is normal too. You mentioned: "The first MRIs I had, did not show any brain damage; all was OK. But later, through a specific MRI, it showed that I have a small mesial sclerosis in my temporal lobe, a type of epilepsy which is known to be highly refractory to medication. " Could you please share what the specific MRI you did later to show the samll mesial sclerosis? Just want to see if I should suggest to my doctor to try it.

Thanks!

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Hi @jgu
Nice to hear from you again! I'm so happy to know that your MRI showed no brain damage 🙏 – that's wonderful news!
You asked about the MRI that first revealed my small mesial sclerosis in the left hippocampus. I'm sharing the details below:
MRI Technique: Magnetic resonance imaging with multiplanar reconstruction sequences including Sagittal T1-weighted, volumetric FLAIR; Axial T2, diffusion, FLAIR; susceptibility-weighted imaging (SWI); and volumetric T1 with post-gadolinium multiplanar reconstruction; post-gadolinium Coronal T1 with fat suppression.
I know this is full of complex medical terminology that's hard to understand, but this is all the technical information I have available on this MRI.
It's important to remember that not all types of epilepsy show abnormal MRI findings. For example, in temporal lobe epilepsy, cases involving the lateral temporal lobe have completely normal MRIs.
How did your follow-up appointment with your doctor go after getting your test results? Were your exams able to help identify what type of epilepsy you have or pinpoint where your seizures originate?
Chris

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Hi @jgu
Nice to hear from you again! I'm so happy to know that your MRI showed no brain damage 🙏 – that's wonderful news!
You asked about the MRI that first revealed my small mesial sclerosis in the left hippocampus. I'm sharing the details below:
MRI Technique: Magnetic resonance imaging with multiplanar reconstruction sequences including Sagittal T1-weighted, volumetric FLAIR; Axial T2, diffusion, FLAIR; susceptibility-weighted imaging (SWI); and volumetric T1 with post-gadolinium multiplanar reconstruction; post-gadolinium Coronal T1 with fat suppression.
I know this is full of complex medical terminology that's hard to understand, but this is all the technical information I have available on this MRI.
It's important to remember that not all types of epilepsy show abnormal MRI findings. For example, in temporal lobe epilepsy, cases involving the lateral temporal lobe have completely normal MRIs.
How did your follow-up appointment with your doctor go after getting your test results? Were your exams able to help identify what type of epilepsy you have or pinpoint where your seizures originate?
Chris

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Hi Chris,
Thanks so much for the information! I had brain MRI and 72h EEG early this month. My appoint with docotr was reschdule to next month. My doctor did call and told me that the EEG seems normal too :-(. My medication changed from 1000mg per day of Keppra to 2000 mg/day, now 3000mg/day with ER version. It seems my seizures still happens 2-3 times/day (only when I take a nap in the afternoon or when I sleep at night). It has been more than a month and half since I took the medication. I am very frustrated. Just a quick question - you do not have to answer it. Have you consider the surgury options since you know the lesions that cause your seizures? I asked this because I was trying to lay out my options. And you are so knowledgeable! Thanks a lot!

Jgu

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Hi Chris,
Thanks so much for the information! I had brain MRI and 72h EEG early this month. My appoint with docotr was reschdule to next month. My doctor did call and told me that the EEG seems normal too :-(. My medication changed from 1000mg per day of Keppra to 2000 mg/day, now 3000mg/day with ER version. It seems my seizures still happens 2-3 times/day (only when I take a nap in the afternoon or when I sleep at night). It has been more than a month and half since I took the medication. I am very frustrated. Just a quick question - you do not have to answer it. Have you consider the surgury options since you know the lesions that cause your seizures? I asked this because I was trying to lay out my options. And you are so knowledgeable! Thanks a lot!

Jgu

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My pleasure @jgu!
I imagine you must be feeling anxious about the rescheduling of your doctor's appointment, which is completely normal when you're still trying to understand your situation. Don't worry, time flies—your appointment will be here soon. Try to stay busy with activities you enjoy in the meantime.
Regarding surgery, doctors investigated that option for me, but my sclerosis is located on the left side, which is the dominant side of my brain. Surgery wasn't recommended because the potential risks could outweigh the benefits. This is why it's so important to complete all the tests your epileptologist orders—he or she needs a complete picture to determine the best treatment options for your specific situation. I know this screening process and all these tests can feel overwhelming, but you'll be amazed by your own resilience when you get through it.
As for EEGs, all mine were normal until I was 48 years old, meaning no epileptic discharges showed up during those tests. However, having a normal EEG does not rule out epilepsy. Even today, my EEGs appear normal because of the medication I take, but I still have epilepsy.
During your 72-hour EEG, was your medication reduced? Were you put in situations that might trigger your seizures, like the afternoon nap you mentioned?
Chris

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@ebrown78
Thank you for sharing that additional information with us.
I am sorry to hear that the previous experiences your daughter had at epilepsy centers have not been of much help.
As a doctor once explained to me, seizures can start before the first menstruation because of hormonal changes. Perhaps this is what has happened to your daughter? As I suffer from catamenial seizures (hormone-related seizures), my doctor, together with my gynecologist have put me on a birth control pill that I take without pausing for up to 6 months. It has reduced my seizures triggered by hormonal changes greatly, especially while menstruating.
You mentioned your daughter's seizures start with focal ones evolving to secondary generalized seizures. My seizures also start with focal ones, and I was diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy. The first MRIs I had, did not show any brain damage; all was OK. But later, through a specific MRI, it showed that I have a small mesial sclerosis in my temporal lobe, a type of epilepsy which is known to be highly refractory to medication. My epilepsy is also not genetically related; it was caused by an accident I had when I was 5 years old. It remained silent until I started puberty.
Today, after several trials and errors in my epilepsy journey, my seizures have been under control for 5 months already with Keppra. So, there is hope!!!
You said that your daughter is taking progesterone daily. Has this changed her seizure pattern during her menstruation?
Do you know in which part of the brain the seizures of your daughter start?
I hope Mayo can bring you new perspectives and treatment options!
All my best!
Chris

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Thank you for sharing your story! My daughter originally started with intractable focal epilepsy with secondary generalization at age 7. It went into remission after 8 months. She was seizure-free for over two years and then started with eye rolling episodes . Then about a year and a half ago started with what we thought were myoclonic jerks. Those would happen occasionally and seemed to worsen when she’s menstruating. She had a cluster of those jerks on Christmas and then had a tonic clonic. She went on progesterone in January but her cycles are still bee irregular. In April she started having TCs weekly and then in May, they became very frequent. She has had 2 hospitalizations in the last month. One hospital said that seizures are generalized and the other focal. The most recent said right focal.

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My pleasure @jgu!
I imagine you must be feeling anxious about the rescheduling of your doctor's appointment, which is completely normal when you're still trying to understand your situation. Don't worry, time flies—your appointment will be here soon. Try to stay busy with activities you enjoy in the meantime.
Regarding surgery, doctors investigated that option for me, but my sclerosis is located on the left side, which is the dominant side of my brain. Surgery wasn't recommended because the potential risks could outweigh the benefits. This is why it's so important to complete all the tests your epileptologist orders—he or she needs a complete picture to determine the best treatment options for your specific situation. I know this screening process and all these tests can feel overwhelming, but you'll be amazed by your own resilience when you get through it.
As for EEGs, all mine were normal until I was 48 years old, meaning no epileptic discharges showed up during those tests. However, having a normal EEG does not rule out epilepsy. Even today, my EEGs appear normal because of the medication I take, but I still have epilepsy.
During your 72-hour EEG, was your medication reduced? Were you put in situations that might trigger your seizures, like the afternoon nap you mentioned?
Chris

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Hi Chris,
My doctor told me not to discontinue the drug during the 72 h EEG. I acturally had 3-4 seizures during those 72 h EEG period. My wife took the time down and provided those to my doctor. Just do not understand how would I had seizures but EEG did not show. I will ask my doctor in the next appointment.
Thanks again for all your advises.
Have a great weekend!

Jgu

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Hi Chris,
My doctor told me not to discontinue the drug during the 72 h EEG. I acturally had 3-4 seizures during those 72 h EEG period. My wife took the time down and provided those to my doctor. Just do not understand how would I had seizures but EEG did not show. I will ask my doctor in the next appointment.
Thanks again for all your advises.
Have a great weekend!

Jgu

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Hi @jgu
Thanks for sharing this information with us.
A thought of PNES (Psychogenic Non-Epileptic Seizures) just occurred to me, given some of the details you've shared here and in another discussion you started.
I've posted a more detailed response in the original discussion you started, where you have provided valuable information about your situation: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/more-than-90-of-my-seizure-happened-when-i-was-sleep/
I hope you don't mind that I moved the conversation there.
Chris

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Thank you for sharing your story! My daughter originally started with intractable focal epilepsy with secondary generalization at age 7. It went into remission after 8 months. She was seizure-free for over two years and then started with eye rolling episodes . Then about a year and a half ago started with what we thought were myoclonic jerks. Those would happen occasionally and seemed to worsen when she’s menstruating. She had a cluster of those jerks on Christmas and then had a tonic clonic. She went on progesterone in January but her cycles are still bee irregular. In April she started having TCs weekly and then in May, they became very frequent. She has had 2 hospitalizations in the last month. One hospital said that seizures are generalized and the other focal. The most recent said right focal.

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@ebrown78,
Good Morning
Thank you for sharing these additional details about your daughter's journey. I can only imagine how challenging this must be for both of you, especially with the recent increase in seizure activity. What gives me hope in your story is that your daughter has already shown she can achieve remission - she was seizure-free for over two years!
The connection you've noticed with her menstrual cycle is actually very valuable information. You're clearly an observant and devoted mother, tracking patterns and advocating for your daughter. Catamenial epilepsy is well-recognized, and the fact that this has already been addressed is a good sign. Like your daughter, I also had very irregular cycles when I was younger - it wasn't until my forties that they finally became regular.
I came across an article this week that made me think of you and your daughter:
https://www.myepilepsyteam.com/resources/types-of-epilepsy
Have you been able to connect with one of Mayo's epilepsy centers yet?
You're both in my thoughts, and I'm hoping for calmer days ahead for your family. 🙏
Chris

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